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ThePTboater

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of ThePTboater  Posted on: Mar 31, 2016 - 7:23pm
My only worry is that if any recovery becomes reality, I'm hoping she doesn't fall to pieces😬
Judging by those historicaerials photos, she has a broken up deck at 1980, and in 2004 it seems to have progressed significantly, though whatever lies below the surface is the true proof of whether or not she's in order.
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Interesting,

While digging out the area for deeper foundations at ground zero the workers came across a vessel that had been placed there to assist to build up the shoreline many years ago. The city of New York stopped all work in that area, moved a team of people in and quickly removed the remains of the vessel to a conservation area so that work could continue.

That's what I read on the net a few weeks back.

That's what they are prepared to do for an old hulk that no one wanted and was disposed of in that manner all those years ago, wonder what they would do if the right people were contacted and had it explained to them what a piece of history they have sitting in the Harlem river?

Also just wondering if there is anything left imagine what would happen if nothing has been done now what would happen in 100 years or so if someone stumbles onto the 59 boat while digging around in what has become an extended shoreline?

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Jimbo Melanson

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I think if you present this to the local authorities and have a plan to deal with whatever toxins in the silt you could get permits to do an exploration and possibly remove the boat. I would not just go and start disturbing the mud without a permit. That would be trouble on many levels.
If you could walk the cement retaining wall (carefully) hanging onto the fence and get out to the dock area at low tide you may find her print in the mud if she is still there. I will assume that toredo worms and gribbles would not do well in that mud what ever may be left would be fairly solid bar at the tide line,
if she still exists she would be right there next to the pier where she sank (refer t o 1974 photo)
write up a plan present her as President Kennedy's second boat after the loss f the 109..........

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of ThePTboater  Posted on: Apr 1, 2016 - 8:25am
I agree jimbo, im definately interested in finding out how the wooden structure has held up over the years.
Was 59 coated in anything when converted to a fishing boat, at least that we know of?
Fiberglass?
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Jimbo Melanson

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if she was covered with anything it would be delaminated by now. most f the time when a boat gets glassed over it is because her structural integrity is compromised. they cant get them tight anymore so glass em over. It is a kiss of death really....you just seal in the rot and moisture at that point

486 was sheathed in epoxy and a skin of 1/8th inch mahogany veneer. The reason Schumann did this was because at the water line during the winter you had ice gnawing at the wood and in summer rain and salt water meet and wreak havoc on the mahogany causing rot. So the sheathing wood in epoxy acts as a sacrificial component to the hull. she was a very dry boat when in service as Sightsee'r. He kept the boat in order as he had to make a living. She was not like most other wooden charter boats I have seen over the years.

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if she was covered with anything it would be delaminated by now. most f the time when a boat gets glassed over it is because her structural integrity is compromised. they cant get them tight anymore so glass em over. It is a kiss of death really....you just seal in the rot and moisture at that point

486 was sheathed in epoxy and a skin of 1/8th inch mahogany veneer. The reason Schumann did this was because at the water line during the winter you had ice gnawing at the wood and in summer rain and salt water meet and wreak havoc on the mahogany causing rot. So the sheathing wood in epoxy acts as a sacrificial component to the hull. she was a very dry boat when in service as Sightsee'r. He kept the boat in order as he had to make a living. She was not like most other wooden charter boats I have seen over the years.

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if she was covered with anything it would be delaminated by now. most f the time when a boat gets glassed over it is because her structural integrity is compromised. they cant get them tight anymore so glass em over. It is a kiss of death really....you just seal in the rot and moisture at that point

486 was sheathed in epoxy and a skin of 1/8th inch mahogany veneer. The reason Schumann did this was because at the water line during the winter you had ice gnawing at the wood and in summer rain and salt water meet and wreak havoc on the mahogany causing rot. So the sheathing wood in epoxy acts as a sacrificial component to the hull. she was a very dry boat when in service as Sightsee'r. He kept the boat in order as he had to make a living. She was not like most other wooden charter boats I have seen over the years.

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if she was covered with anything it would be delaminated by now. most f the time when a boat gets glassed over it is because her structural integrity is compromised. they cant get them tight anymore so glass em over. It is a kiss of death really....you just seal in the rot and moisture at that point

486 was sheathed in epoxy and a skin of 1/8th inch mahogany veneer. The reason Schumann did this was because at the water line during the winter you had ice gnawing at the wood and in summer rain and salt water meet and wreak havoc on the mahogany causing rot. So the sheathing wood in epoxy acts as a sacrificial component to the hull. she was a very dry boat when in service as Sightsee'r. He kept the boat in order as he had to make a living. She was not like most other wooden charter boats I have seen over the years.

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  TED WALTHER

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Jim and Nic;
I would tend to think she was not glassed over. The photo of her as Sea Queen appears like the planks are visible. Just to add to what Jim said about glassing, also if the boat was not permitted enough time for the hull to dry, the moisture will cause the fibreglass to separate from the hull. I saw a lot of this on Long Island in the late 60's and early 70's when guys thought they would cheat the system and avoid going to the boatyard every year. One of my Dad's friends did this to a 1960 55' Chris Craft Constellation, then he left it in the water for the winter, and the ice and temperature just cause a section on the port side to delaminate and "rip or crack" down past the waterline. he ended up paying double to get it fixed. He was never satisfied after that, and sold the boat 2 years later. The next owner ended up having the glass removed by my cousin.
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Thanks for the info Ted, I agree fiberglass can be a pain sometimes, that's for sure.
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