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Jeff D

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Mar 15, 2017 - 5:51am
Nice images Ted, thank you. Looks like it was just on the forward part of the railing.



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Jeff D

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Stu Hurley's eagle eye spotted the canvas structure fully erected on PT 108 aboard the SS Joseph Stanton, thank you Stu!:





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Stuart Hurley

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Jeff,
At least there doesn't appear to be one on the 109 Can't tell for sure if the buttons are there.
Maybe no need for re-work.

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Stu.





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TED WALTHER

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Stu and Jeff;
If you can see the little extension piece coming off the port .50 depression rail, then the snaps are there. I will look at Stanton photos again, but since 108 has it, it is a good bet that 109 had them too, probably the whole first series, 103-138(there is a gap in completion dates between 138 and 139, 138 was completed on 9/29/42 and 139 was completed on 10.13/42, 16 days, this might mean nothing, but there are slight changes notated on Jeff's site for 139 on.
Just a thought.
Take care,
TED

P.S. this does appear as if it is a canvas forced air set up, but if so, why is it on the boat set up while on the Stanton? Maybe, the photos were taken close to loading time? Might this be found in the ELCO parts catalog?


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Stuart Hurley

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Ted. Jeff,
If visible, the two vertical brackets for the frame on the forward coaming would indicate whether the boat was set up for the canvas extension. They might be easier to spot than the buttons.


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I don't think I see any set-up on the 109-STANTON photos.

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Jeff D

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One more, a starboard side view of PT 109 on the SS Joseph Stanton:

Title: USS PT-109
Description: Stowed on board the Liberty Ship Joseph Stanton for transportation to the Pacific. Photographed at the Norfolk Navy Yard, Virginia, 20 August 1942. Photograph from the Bureau of Ships Collection in the U.S. National Archives.
http://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nara-series/19-n/19-N-30000/19-N-33165.html

It's possible the 109 was outfitted with the canvas structure also, there seem to be 7 blurry dots in the same locations as the 111s buttons. It's too blurry to tell but there's also something above the windshield that looks similar to the structures frame:





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I would think those shields were probably put off on the beach, or stowed in the forepeaks of the boats in the forward areas.

Still wondering if that heating unit (or was it an inflatable life raft stowage box?) was removed from the 109 "in the area." If it was a heating unit, I'm sure it probably was.


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Stuart Hurley

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It's strange that that structure does not appear to be visible in the stern three-quarter view photo though.
Maybe they were in the process of fitting it, although the photo dates are the same.


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Jeff D

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Yes Drew, that's a stowage locker. I can't remember ever seeing one in the field. I'm hoping that one day memos will surface about the removal of these and the function of the canvas structure.

OK guys I apologize, I had this photo (in the wrong folder doh) of the 109 (right) and 110 (left) I missed that shows the structure on the 109:


The full image: http://www.pt103.com/images/ptpics/PT_109_110_Sterns_On_SS_Joseph_Stanton.jpg

I tend to agree with you Ted about it being an air scoop, a total guess would be that the windshield would block a certain amount of air from the funnels so maybe this was an experiment to get some heat out of the engine room, especially for Pacific bound boats. Cooler air = more performance! And a Motormac that won't pass out from the heat... those guys are one of the unsung heroes in my book.



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