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victorkchun

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On Nov. 5, 2012 Doyle New York auctioned the nameplate from PT 109. Does anyone
knows what happened to it?
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  TED WALTHER

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Victor;
I know I put out a RED ALERT on this, to both here and the Navy Museum in DC I don't know what happened, other than it was pulled from the auction. I hope it found its way to where it really belongs, the Kennedy Library.
Take care,
TED


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Michael Vorrasi

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Shouldn't the PT-109 nameplate be at the bottom of Blackett Strait? Just wondering what the story is here.

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Frank Andruss

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The builders plate, providing it is something that is authentic, could have been removed long before Kennedy became the Skipper. I think I remember seeing the auction that had mentioned this very same thing, I too lost track of that auction once it was pulled.............It may have been sold in a private setting.


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  TED WALTHER

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As I said put out the RED ALERT on this to the Navy Museum in DC, Hopefully, it finds its way to where it is supposed to be. The "caretaker" of the PT 109 builders plaque was QM 1/C James G. "Guy" Manning, Navigator and Plankowner of PT 109. It was RON 2 and RON 3(2) Standing Orders/SOP to remove the builders Plaques from all the boats, as this was an identifying feature, should the boats be captured. Later arriving Squadrons did this also, but to what extent I don't know. The plate was originally offered by Manning's Estate. It is thanks to men like Guy Manning that this even exists today, its a good thing this one and many others were at the bottom of somebody's seabag, or they would not exist today. Plaques like PTC 12, PT 21, PT 59, PT 113, PT 118(these two boats were lost ), PT 128, PT 154, PT 189, PT 486, PT 617, and a few more survive today. I imagine quite a few were "liberated" when the boats were burned at Samar, but who knows where these are today. Later, boats had bakelite builders plaques, I don't know why PT 154's is bakelite, and PT 189"s is cast metal, as both boats are in the first production run PT 103-196.
Take care,
TED
P.S. Did Higgins and Huckins boats have these too? I have only seen ELCO.

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I know Higgins boats did.



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RANDY SMITH

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BATTLE SHIP COVE HAS SEVERAL. JERRY STRAHAN HAS THE ONE FROM THE HELLCAT HE RECEIVED IT FROM TEDY SPREGS WHO REMVOED IT WHEN BOAT WAS DELIVERD TO THE NAVY. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY HE SAID THEY WERE ALL REMOVE WHEN THE BOAT WERE DELIVERED.


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29navy

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Talked to my contact at the Navy Museum in DC. He says that he doesn't know what happened to it (109 Plaque). He said the legal counsel couldn't determine if they (Navy) still had claim to it.



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Huckins has always used builders plates on their yachts. A sample plate from immediate post war civilian production is aluminum with black anodizing containing the hull#, engine serials, and recommended oil SAE No., as well as the quadraconic patent numbers and general guidelines for safe operations.

I confirmed today that Huckins Yachts does not have any further info (or photos) of the plates made for their PT Boats, but they probably followed general practice of having at least the hull number, builders info and date.

Cheers,
Andy


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TED WALTHER

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Charlie;
Do you have a contact at the Kennedy Library? Maybe they did a backdoor deal with Manning's estate.
Take care,
TED


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