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TED WALTHER

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of TED WALTHER   Send Email To TED WALTHER Posted on: Oct 8, 2014 - 8:53am
It makes sense to me, a field expedient brace. since they probably thought the 37mm would be front heavy, and the legs might bounce on the deck if the hit rough seas.
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TED


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Drew Cook

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Jeff,

Donovan wrote, in "PT 109 - John F. Kennedy In World War II," that "The 37-millimeter gun, still lashed to the deck, had fallen overboard and was hanging uselessly in the water. To Ross it looked like a giant fish lure."

John Hersey, in his The New Yorker article "Survival," wrote: "The 37-millimetre gun had flopped over the side and was hanging there by a chain."

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Jeff D

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Oct 8, 2014 - 12:25pm
Thanks Drew, the Hersey quote is what I was talking about. I found the article online:http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkpt109.shtml. It is not written as a direct quote from a crew member so it is of dubious value.



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  David Waples

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If I ever do another 109 boat it's not going to have that bloody 37mm on it. :-)
Dave

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David Buck

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of David Buck   Send Email To David Buck Posted on: Oct 9, 2014 - 5:13am
Thanks Drew I knew that someone would have further information that I had not seen(jeeez it only gets worse does't it and that's just by asking an innocent little question!!!).

Dave, Damm man next you'll want to know what colour green to paint it.

You know when I can get off the floor after Dave Ws last I might try and enlarge Ballards book cover just to see if that pesky mast is there,

Tonight I will admit that I can sit here and read the rest of the Board with a smile on my face, Sorry Dave didn't mean to make a problem for you, how about two 109 models one without the wheels and logs and one with them, then you have both sides covered. I suppose then you may have to paint one a faded grey and the other a faded green but which one is which, oh well back to headache territory with that one.

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  David Waples

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Ah, but I do know what color she was thanks to Ted and Mr. Prescott, skipper of PT-61. Or at least as much as anyone will know thanks to those wonder color photographs. I know you guys like to make fun of me about that but honestly I don't mind.

IF I do another 109 boat, and that's a big IF, I would do it with the gun displayed off the model. Frankly one of the other boats that has that 37mm anti tank with a permanent mount such as in the photo that Tracy White recently provided is more interesting to me.

Dave

PS. Didn't this thread start as a book review on the Schnellboot? What the hell happened? Seems to me if you keep a thread going on long enough here it turns into something about PT-109. I'm sure I'm equally to blame. Sorry we hijacked your thread Al.

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alross2

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Sorry we hijacked your thread Al.

David Waples



You will be punished, Waples...


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zeusbheld

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Hijacking's probably my fault, although I DID comment on the excellence of Mr. Krakow's new version Schnellboot in Action.

Extra for modelers: Regarding that damned 37mm, coconut palm logs would have a very distinct wood grain. I'm unsure how the grain should look at small scale, but if i decide to build a 109 i've got a coconut wood spoon, I can observe it from an appropriate distance to simulate scale.

Here's a coconut log, and a plank to better highlight the grain:






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Dick

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Dick   Send Email To Dick Posted on: Oct 11, 2014 - 12:44pm
Just for the heck of it, Im posting some screen captures from the movie showing its depiction of the gun installed on coconut logs as discussed in the book. Ive always been surprised by the nice timber used on models when the install was a quick fix. Of course I have no real info to go on.


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TED WALTHER

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Oh brother

Well, the last photo is somebody's next diorama.
Take care,
TED


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