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Bob Butler

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I think so too with what I have to go on. But as long as were at this point is Deck Blue the right coor for the deck?


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Frank Andruss

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Frank Andruss   Send Email To Frank Andruss Posted on: Aug 13, 2013 - 11:48am
Deck Blue is what it calls for, and you have already painted PT-302 in this color. PT-305 boys are leaning towards Thayer Blue for the hull and everything else on deck. I sure would like to know so we can be 100% correct in the painting. I have been getting differing reports from some of our PT BOAT friends and Model Builders. I think we are correct in this color scheme though. Maybe not as blue as the model I showed you from Ron 29, but who knows. I get confused...............................


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Jeff D

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Aug 13, 2013 - 12:53pm
Frank, I don't know about a Higgins boat being the nicest model in your collection. It just doesn't seem right.

Most excellent work Bob!



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Bob Butler

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Bob Butler  Posted on: Aug 13, 2013 - 1:35pm
Thanks, Jeff, I've had that love for Elco 80 's sense I built the Revell kit when it first came out around 50 years ago, wonder how much money Revell has made off those molds? I've got a great intrests in Higgins sense I've started this project. I've decided to donate my PT 109 as well. I just couldn't stand the though of donating a Higgins with out an Elco alongside. 'I'm going to try to get 302 painted blue today and will Post.


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Dick

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Dick   Send Email To Dick Posted on: Aug 13, 2013 - 1:41pm

Frank . . .

I think the best choice for you is to select a scheme and color that best suits you. If anyone has spent any time at all looking through RON 22 boat photos they will clearly see a myriad of colors and schemes used at one point or another. I'm sure the 305 boys and the Museum are going to, or have already had a great, great debate as what final color they will paint this beautifully restore boat. The image below shows three partial RON 22 boats, and taken at the same time - yet all three have a different paint scheme. This can be seen throughout many, many photographs, showing boats at certain dates displaying a different color arrangement.
Its a tough choice guy and I wouldn't want to be the one to call it. Regardless what you pick, to most observers (of course not us) it won't look like any PT boat they've seen - its not green, its not gray - it's what . . . baby blue and dirty blue - wowww ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Frankie, what ever you choose, it will be just fine,
Dick . . . .










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Bob Butler

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It would seem they had an easter egg basket of boats. This is why I'm voting for the blue with a white strip.



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Frank Andruss

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I hear you Dick, the color choices have been bugging me for some time now, and you are right, I think Bob and I will go with that deck blue, and Thayer Blue, only toned down a bit with more Gray tones mixed with the blue. Bob is the painter here, and model builder so he is the one that is going to make her look great.

Jeff, I hear you, I am not a HIGGINS man, so having one in my Exhibit will be great. I am sure this will please Jerry. Bob has graciously donated his wonderful PT-109 to my exhibit as well. I am in my glory, and you guys know it. This PT-302 project has been fun, and my hopes is that Arthur Frongello will love her as much as I do...................


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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of alross2   Send Email To alross2 Posted on: Aug 13, 2013 - 3:07pm
I'd be curious to know what source was referenced to determine that 305 was Thayer Blue (5-B). Same goes for 302. Consider the following two photos:

RON29 boats (Thayer Blue)


PT302 at some point

We know for certain that the RON 29 boats had Thayer Blue (5-B) vertical surfaces. Swazey, an ELCO camoufleur, confirms this. Compare the shade of the RON 29 boats' hulls with that of PT 302's charthouse. The latter is considerably darker. The color photo of RON 22 boats earlier in this thread shows a dark neutral gray not unlike 5-D (a color officially discontinued by this date). All three photos appear to have been taken under similar atmospheric conditions (quite sunny), so the effect of light on the paint does not appear to contribute to the difference. Consequently, at least at this point in time, it does not appear that the 302 was in Thayer Blue.

Al Ross


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TED WALTHER

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Frank, Bob and all the rest;
I am with Al on this one, RON 29 is the only documented, squadron to use Thayer Blue.
RON 22 used various shades on Gray, in their camo schemes. One boat PT 306, even was painted in Adapter Scheme, when RON 22 first got to MED.
RON 15 was the most different with multiple schemes used at the same time, including a PINK camo scheme.
In RON 22, most of the boats eventually had the decks painted deck blue, as can be seen in the posted photos. The critical Past film footage is what should be used on both the PT 302 model and PT 305 in NOLA.
Take care,
TED


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Frank Andruss

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Frank Andruss   Send Email To Frank Andruss Posted on: Aug 13, 2013 - 5:14pm
Let me say that the Thayer Blue color was started by myself. I threw that color out there when I notice the critical past color shots. One of the boats looked as thought it had a Blue-Gray mix, so I mentioned Thayer Blue, which I shouldn't have. I am now happy with the model being deck gray with gray tones for the deck and superstructure. With these colors I am confident with the boat being correct . Thanks Al for the photos, and Ted you are right, I agree as well. I just used that word Thayer Blue to describe the blue I thought I might be seeing in the color photo.


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