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Dick
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Posted on: Aug 23, 2013 - 9:31am
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Hear is a video of the PBS Nova documentary Roy was talking about. It is very interesting - take a look:
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Will Day
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Posted on: Aug 23, 2013 - 1:26pm
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Some interesting footage, although I always hate it when the show Jap dive bombers that are really SBDs. Makes you wonder what else in inaccurate.
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Tracy White
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Posted on: Aug 23, 2013 - 2:49pm
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Thanks for that Dick - I've seen the show, but don't have a copy. I wasn't going to take the time to try and refute the points I vaguely remember taking issue with sans a copy.. but I'll try and do that this weekend.
The overall issue I have is that they build one theory on top of another and then say the last level is the most likely because of all of these other reasons (which are just theories. They can't PROVE it, but continue on like each theory was proven. Points to Parks for his St. Louis midget thoughts, but there are just too many fundamental flaws that aren't addressed. Like I said though, I'll try and drop some more specific items here sometime this weekend.
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Bob Butler
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Posted on: Aug 23, 2013 - 5:31pm
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Thanks Dick, that was very interesting. Tracy, no offense meant, I've seen how 60 Minuets and other news shows can bend and distort things to get their point across. But if I was sitting on the jury of a murder trial and that much circumstantial evidence was introduced , I think the guy would hang.
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Tracy White
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Posted on: Aug 24, 2013 - 8:05am
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This is history and not justice. We don't have to render a verdict NOW, if ever, truthfully. We can, actually, say "we don't know." That's my whole beef with this movement, TV shows don't get sold to present a messy, inconclusive history, so they go in to tell a concrete story, even if one doesn't exist.
Catching up on some model building and music right now, will start watching the show and taking notes in an hour or so.
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Jerry Gilmartin |
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Posted on: Aug 25, 2013 - 4:07pm
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Hi Tracy,
Wait a minute let me get this straight, so you are saying that you cant rewrite history just because things are convenient or popular? And that facts should have some bearing on what history is actually written? What a novel concept! I can think of about 100 examples of the opposite being the case in terms of 'accepted history". Isn't it funny how the story that the TV producers want to be true ends up being widely regarded as the God's Honest Truth? Pesky things those facts tend to be huh? I too share a healthy amount of caution when it comes to accepting the story on a TV Show especially when it comes to Pearl Harbor theories. (Or anything out of the current administration like say Benghazi for instance) It is hard to know which director or editor is leaving out critical parts just to make his theory seem more plausible.
Thanks Jerry
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Will Day
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Posted on: Aug 25, 2013 - 4:22pm
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Right on, Jerry.
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David Buck
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Posted on: Aug 26, 2013 - 4:01am
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Spoilsport Jerry, I bet you don't believe in area 51 or the YETI either!!!
You can't let a little thing like the truth or facts to prove such get in the way of a good "truthful" TV show.
Shame on you!!
(tongue firmly in cheek please note)
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JBG327
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Posted on: Aug 26, 2013 - 7:19am
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According to the Nova show the minisubs carried 1000 lbs warhead torpedoes.
One was found on the harbor bottom according to testimony of Adm Nimitz. The other is theorized to hit the West Virginia.
the thoery is that the sub moved to the West Loch and was scuttled with the crew inside the sub.
In May 1944 there was a explosion on a LST that spread to other LSTs in the West Loch. Over 200 sailors were killed in hte explosion and resulting fire. The Navy needed to clear the Loch and the wreckage was taken from the sea floor, and dumped outside the harbor
That is why the 5th minisub is on the bottom of the sea outside PH, where the salvaged wreckage of the West Loch disaster was dumped.
So it is one of two things -- either the sub was scuttled there on Dec 7 or 8th 1941, or moved there in 1944. Either way the 5th sub has been found.
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