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Jeff D
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 Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 5:52am
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Looking good Stu, I see you heightened the throttle push rod deck housing too. Most excellent!
The boat hook pole itself was 10' long, including the 4" tapered end that fit inside the head.
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 7:05am
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Hi, Jeff
Yes, had to do it. That mod also involved widening the engine hatch coaming, as there was a gap between it and the pushrod cover flanges. I noticed the tubular boat hook (handle retaining) fittings on PT 103 and 105 were exactly under the centre of the deadlight window, with the hook fitting at the edge of the wall . This does make my scratchbuilt stbd boathook a little shorter than the kit port side one at the moment though. Something to look into. The next creation is to be the heater unit. I have the elco drawings but I am not sure yet about the deck mounting over the throttle covers. Also, I notice that 109 does not seem to have the diagonal brace on the box or the rail along the top edge, which makes it easier to build at least.
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Stu.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 7:53am
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Ahhh heaters. I haven't looked much into them. As far as I know, boats headed for warm waters such as the 109 weren't equipped. Where are you seeing a heater on her? It might be something else.
If anyone else knows more about heater use, or if my guess is wrong, could you please post it here?
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 8:10am
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Jeff,
In the famous shipping pics. On the J.Stanton I think 109 and 110 have their heaters in place. You can just see the louvres through the wood beams on 110 in the rear three quarter shot. In the stbd. side shots of 108 and 109 I am convinced the heaters are there. I have enhanced the photos to try to get some more detail out of them but the boxes are quite plain. They do appear to be the correct size and shape though, so I don/t think that they are just storage or the like.
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Stu.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 11:35am
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I see them, good catch I've never noticed them before. I'm also not seeing the aft windshield on the 103, 105, 108. The aft view of the 109 appears to show it though. I'll be working on that next so thanks for pointing those images out. The 103-108 boats had some minor differences, don't know if this is one or not yet.
Still not sure that's a heater, it looks leveled in the drawings and tilted to the deck angle in the 108 shot. And too close to the cabin with no duct. Here's what the drawing for PT 103-162 shows:
A section on the heater would be a good addition to the Italeri boat changes page, thanks for lending me courage to make me jump in. I'll need to do a lot of drawing crawling though, Verified with images or "maybe"'s, the drawings lie sometimes.
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 2:08pm
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Jeff,
If you have a look at the shots of PT117 at speed on test she has the same box. When I enhanced the photos all I could get out of them was what looked like some release clips at the bottom.
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Stu.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 2:48pm
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I see, I checked PT 117 photos I had and found a back shot of it. And 1 of the 141 with definitely a heater:
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 3:18pm
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I see what you're talking about on the 109:
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: Mar 28, 2013 - 11:37pm
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We are on to something.
The louvres on 141 are much more pronounced and similar to the drawings. The drain is also very prominent
The box on 117 has a single narrower louvre similar to 110 On 110 you can just make out a diagonal strip similar to 109 top left to bottom right.
louvre visible on 110
It certainly seems we have two types of enclosure, early and revised. Maybe they uprated it after the first few.
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Mar 29, 2013 - 5:58am
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Stu,
I doubt very much those heating units were retained on the 80' Elco PTs in the South Pacific.
The equatorial heat would have (quite obviously) negated their use, and as the boats were stripped of everything non-essential for combat -- particularly anything of any weight -- if those heating units even made it to Tulagi on the boats, I'm pretty sure they'd have been removed and left on the beach.
Although the classic Revell 1/72nd scale model kit of the 80' Elco PT, first released in the early 1960's, has a part for that heating unit box, I'd never model a PTO 80' Elco PT with one.
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