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 Author  Topic: Question About the Gunboats from PTs
TGConnelly

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Mar 5, 2013 - 3:02pm
May I ask a dumb question ...?

The six boats (59,60, 61 and 281, 282, 283 [replaced by 285]) that I collectively refer to as PTGBs ...

Would those boats be considered to be PGMs? Like the PGMs converted from the 110' SC hulls, ...

Here's the reason I ask:

On NAVSOURCE, in the PGM section - they list the SC hull version of the PGMs.

What do you think?

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of alross2   Send Email To alross2 Posted on: Mar 5, 2013 - 3:48pm
No. The PTs were not officially redesignated PGM, therefore, they are not PGMs. PTGB is a spurious designation, as it did/does not exist as an official acronym.

PGM is an official USN designation for a specific group of vessels, in this case (USN WWII) eight converted 110' SCs and 24 converted 173' PCs.

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TGConnelly

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Mar 5, 2013 - 4:08pm
Thank you, Mr. Ross, ....

And, people, I apologize ...

It was PTs 282, 283, 284 and 285, ... the 282 replaced the 284. My error. I admit it.

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TGConnelly

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For the record ...

Yes, I realize that PTGB is not a official USN designation ... but the boats were PTs and then, converted to gunboats ... so, in my OPINION, the term PTGB "seems" to fit.

Mr. Ross ... Do you think they might be considered as MGBs?

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  Tracy White

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PTGB would be more of a colloquial term - while it may fit, it might also lead people astray if they don't realize it wasn't an official designation. Kinda like battleship gray. Sort of a double-edged sword there.

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Will Day

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How about BadAssPatrolBoat?

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David Buck

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OK Will I would like to see someone put that on their PT Boat model.

Of course it would have to be a model of one of the afore mentioned Gun Boats.

Could create a fair amount of comment in the old club House What!

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Jeff D

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Mar 6, 2013 - 2:35am
Nice Will, very to the point. Maybe we can have a "fantasy designation" contest to see who can come up with the best one.



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TGConnelly

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Mar 6, 2013 - 5:47am
Hey Guys?

Do you think that, even though the Navy did not designate these six boats as PGMs ...

Would YOU consider them to be PGMs or MGBs?

PGM stood for PATROL, GUN, MOTOR and MGB stood for MOTOR GUN BOAT ...

Both really do fit these boats ... what do you think?

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of alross2   Send Email To alross2 Posted on: Mar 6, 2013 - 9:07am
MGB is not a USN designator. They are what they are - PTs that had their torpedo tubes removed and guns added. They remained designated as PTs until placed out of service or redesignated as small boats.

What you or anyone else 'considers' them to be is irrelevant. They are what the Navy designates them.

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