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  Rock1947a

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Rock1947a  Posted on: Mar 5, 2013 - 12:27pm
Does anyone have any clear images of the the modification to the stern of the Italeri 1/35 PT 109 mentioned in David Waples' review on the Modelwarships website? I just can't seem to visualize what the actual correction should be.

http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/pc/PT109-35-it-dw/Italeri-review.html

The stern though is missing the the slight up angle in the last 10 feet or so as shown in the drawing and visible on the prototype.

Thanks for providing such an interesting and informative forum on these magnificent boats and the lives of their brave, resourceful crews.

Any information about the Italeri kit corrections would be greatly appreciated.
Pete



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Jeff D

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Mar 5, 2013 - 3:01pm
Hey Pete, he means that when viewed from the side, the stern curves up a bit aft of the engine hatch / coaming. Here's a link to a previous thread about it: http://www.ptboatforum.com/cgi-bin/MB2/netboardr.cgi?fid=102&cid=101&tid=2952&sc=20&pg=1&x=0



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Rock1947a

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Rock1947a  Posted on: Mar 5, 2013 - 5:11pm
Thanks very much Jeff.
That's exactly the verification I was looking for. I'll have to learn to do better searches next time. I hadn't come up with the thread you kindly provided. Thanks again for coming to my rescue.
Pete



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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Mar 6, 2013 - 1:24am
Glad to help Pete. I have trouble finding old posts too sometimes, even ones I made.

I should have said the deck curves up a bit, not the stern. It sounds like I was telling you to build a banana boat...



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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Mar 6, 2013 - 3:36pm
's what we call camber
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camber_(ship)

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Mar 6, 2013 - 4:21pm
This from the link you posted:

The camber is a measure of lateral main deck curvature in naval architecture. The curve is applied to a deck transversely, measured as the height of deck at centreline above the height of deck at side.

The practice of adding camber to a ship's deck originated in the era of small sailing ships. These vessels were built with the decks curving downwards at the sides in order to allow water that washed onto the deck to spill off. It adds to the ship's longitudinal strength also.


It's not what I'm talking about Tracy.



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David Waples

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of David Waples  Posted on: Mar 7, 2013 - 4:39am
Pete,
Thanks for coming by for clarification and thanks guys for clarifying the correction. You might also want to check out Todd's build on the Model Shipwrights web site. He's done a nice job with the armor fix around the helm and taking a different approach to correcting deck features.

http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=202180

Please share your work with us!

Dave

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Rock1947a

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Rock1947a  Posted on: Mar 7, 2013 - 12:02pm
Many thanks to everyone for their kind help.
There's one more thing that's nagging me about the superb Italeri kit which I haven't seen mentioned by anyone. I might have missed this one too.

Does the center of the transom need to be raised slightly to taper more to port and starboard? Maybe it's the angles of the photos, but to my eye the transom is very slighty too flat and should have a more prominent hump (camber).

The photos on pages 4, 5, 6, 11, 12, and 49 in David Doyle's excellent ELCO 80-Foot PT Boat On Deck from Squadron/Signal prompted me to ask this question. Al Ross' wonderful Coastal Forces 1/35 drawings also appear to have more of a transom camber. Perhaps I need stronger glasses.

What do you gentlemen think? Am I seeing things? Please forgive me if this is a dumb question. I don't intend to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Thanks again.
Pete



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Rock1947a

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Rock1947a  Posted on: Mar 7, 2013 - 4:44pm
I appreciate and value everyone who's trying to help me.

I realize that each modeler is responsible for their own research and which kit issues to modify or ignore in their build. Sometimes errors are made in an individual's research or conclusions. That's the reason I asked for help from the very knowledgeable members of this forum, whose advice I greatly respect.

As mentioned in my previous post, I'd like to have your opinions on whether or not the center of the Italeri PT 109 kit transom should be raised slightly to create more of a camber to Port and Starboard. I think this is a prominent feature that I'd like to make sure I get right.

What do you folks think?

Thanks again.
Pete



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As Al Ross always says to me, re-read the post it is clear and concise



I've said it once and the actual quote was : "Perhaps you should revisit Dick's and Ted's entries. They are clear, concise, and answer the question."

If you're going to quote me, get it right.

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