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Frank J Andruss Sr

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At some point soon Stan Pienkowski will be starting my 1/20 PT-66. I know in my last thread about the colors and of course which boat was in the photo's, it was no doubt PT-66 in that crazy color scheme, painted on by the crew. Because I am having so much difficulty in trying to determine the actual colors ( even Al was unsure) I may opt for a different build, same boat of course, but maybe a sure color green. I may do the boat in honor of Ken Prescott, which I know will make Ted happy, but need to know what was on the boat for armament, and of course the color of the boat. I think she still carried those 2 .30 calibers on the bow, and the single .50 mount. Did the boat ever carry a 40mm, or an updated Radar mast..............


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Frank J Andruss Sr

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I do know that Ken was in the 61 boat, although not sure if that boat had the 2 MK-8 torpedoes in tubes and the only ash cans on her stern, like the 66 boat did. Someone had mentioned Kens boat was gray, although I am not sure...........


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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Sorry about that, I found the color shots of the 61 boats after I posted. Sure looks gray to me, with a tint of blue..........


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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Sorry about that, I found the color shots of the 61 boats after I posted. Sure looks gray to me, with a tint of blue..........


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Hi Frank . . .

If you look at the many color photos in Ken's DVD version of his book
"A PT Skipper in the South Pacific:"
" A Naval Officer's Memoir of Service on PTs and a PT Boat Tender"

The boat actually looks like it is very heavily oxidized green, but it can only be seen when viewing several photos of different parts of his boat, one such shot showing the two turrets side by side the green is apparent, and if you look hard at the couple we've seen posted in the past you can what appears to be green under heavy oxidation or under gray (which doesn't make sense). But you know, my eyes are sometimes green and other times blue, so there may be a big issue here. What really is the color Green?

Oh no, not another "Color" issue, well at least it's a 77 footer and not the other one ! ! ! ! !

Take care,
Dick . . .



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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Dick, thank God it s a 77 footer this time around the block. I think it depends a great deal on angles, and the sun. I would like to be as close as possible to the color, whatever boat we choose to represent., but I am not going to be too crazy about it, because I do not think any boat being done is a spot on match to what was really out there at that time. Old color photos change over time, and forget black and white. As far as the PT-66 near Morobe early on, I am really afraid to use something in that pattern and have it turn out funky...............


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Colour(s)?

I think that there are far too many variables present to be able to state precisely what any colour was or how it appeared at any given time. I built a wood frame Caribou Innuit kayak once and covered it with sewn together bedsheets which I then waterproofed by painting it with Brick Red paint. Once I had it down by the beach to take pictures of it. I took a picture of it from the bow and 15 seconds later I took another one from the stern. This boat was 24 feet long. The image from the bow showed a brick red colour but the shot from the stern showed the kayak as eing a deep brown colour. Like I said it was no more than 15 seconds between pictures. One had the sun behing and the other was more towards the sun. Also, time of day can greatly affect the colour of an image. Certain tims of the day have more yellow in them. I have pictures, I took of a model modelling a black leather pantsuit, that I took late on an October afternoon. The leather too appeared to be a very deep brown colour not black. Yet earlier that same afternoon (about 3/4 hour previously) those same black leather items appeared to be deep blue.

So many variables including fading of the paint and whether the paint is wet, damp or dry can cause dramatic colour shifts. I think the best we can hope for is to get something within the ball park.

Cheers and MERRY CHRISTMAS!

"Give me a fast boat for we want to get out of harm's way too."

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Frank;
I have a drawing I will send you via e-mail. The boat only had 20mm stern, and twin .50's . During this time period they bummed some MK 15 torpedoes, from a Destoryer. That is why they protrude from the tubes so far. As far as I know, no "extra" armament was added to 61prior to her becoming a gunboat.

If you want to go for the time period in the photo, you will notice the broken windshield, and to the right is what looks like a gash in the plexiglass. Ken told me one night he was out on night patrol off the Russells with Bill Kriener, Kriener was lead boat(PT 60, I believe), a Rufe flew up their wake and dropped a bomb between the two boats. Kriener was wounded in this engagement, and that broken windshield, and another fragment gashing the windshield is the result, also look at the cabin windshield, it has what looks like that waterproof putty, our Dads used to used on our house windows in the 50's and 60's.....do you remember that stuff?
Funny thing, Ken told me that plane was so low, he could see all the rivets and screws underneath!
Take care,
TED


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So I guess the bottom, bottom line on colors is; use whatever shade you think might be correct - on some day, under some light conditions, at some point in the boat's life - the color you use would probably have been spot-on.

Will

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Frank J Andruss Sr

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I have PT-61 drawings that Wayne Traxel had sent to me, which I would like to go by, providing I decide to do this boat. Thanks Ted, I look forward to seeing the drawings you have. I am still leaning towards doing PT-66 with that funky Camo, if I can only feel comfortable what the hell colors they were..............


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