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Topic: Early PT Boat Green- (PT-109) Some ideas......... |
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David Waples
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 6:04am
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Krylon and Automotive spray paints are Lacquers. They cover well with think coats and dry quickly. One thing to watch out for with these lacquers is that they are "hot" and can damage plastic. Consider putting down a good primer barrier before spraying a lacquer on a plastic kit or at least try it first.
If you prefer an airbrush to a retail rattle can you can always decant the paint into a jar and then run it through your airbrush for better control. All you need is one of those large straws (Arbys and McDonalds style) and a good small glass bottle to spray it into.
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PeterTareBuilder
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 8:38am
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Hey there Jeff.
I don't notice any difference between the Krylon paints I've used and the Testo's paints I've used except the Krylon paints are a lot less expensiveand don't stink nearly as bad nor for as long as the Testor's paints do after they're applied.
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PeterTareBuilder
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 8:41am
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Krylon and Automotive spray paints are Lacquers. They cover well with think coats and dry quickly. One thing to watch out for with these lacquers is that they are "hot" and can damage plastic. Consider putting down a good primer barrier before spraying a lacquer on a plastic kit or at least try it first.
If you prefer an airbrush to a retail rattle can you can always decant the paint into a jar and then run it through your airbrush for better control. All you need is one of those large straws (Arbys and McDonalds style) and a good small glass bottle to spray it into.
Dave
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NO! The Krylon paints I have used are NOT lacquer and I have never had any trouble with any of them melting or even crazing styrene plastic.
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Tracy White
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 9:14am
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Matt,
I started my descent into camouflage madness with the Battleship Arizona and her as sunk camouflage controversy. One thing that working on that problem has taught me is that there are very few personal accounts that can be trusted. I'm not even talking about how sharp their mental facilities are - I've known some sharp but wrong people in my life.
Until you publish and we know the details of who he was and why his color fidelity can or should be trusted (was he a trained artist, for example), you'll forgive me if I dismiss any credence out of hand. This is not meant as an insult, just a notice that I can't trust that until I know more at the very least.
David - run across you here and there but I don't know your background or the background of those photos. I know better than to trust what I see on my monitor, of course, but do you know if the photos you posted have been professionally color corrected and adjusted?
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Jerry Beasley
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 9:57am
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Krylon manufactures both lacquer and enamel paints so you need to look at which particular paint and primer combinations you are using. In doing some research some report no problems but other modelers have reported disastrous results with some formulations of Krylon - it's a great product but you have to be sure what you are using.
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Will Day
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 Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 11:19am
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Does anyone really think that two boats painted with identical paint at the same time are still going to be absolutely matched after one or two months of exposure to sun and salt air? All I am saying is (as others have stated) that there are probably no "perfect shades" for dioramas of working boats.
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 11:32am
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Well said Will, this is another discussion that although interesting is one of those areas that continues to go on and on with no end in sight. No two boats were alike out there guys, and who in God's name is going to say your shade of green is wrong. If it's close just go with it..........
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Tracy White
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 11:34am
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Heck, I don't think that a single boat painted with the same paint will look uniform the day it was painted, let alone two after a couple of months. I think it's great to know (if possible) the proper shade to START with, but recognize that paint has variances based on bucket and application.
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Hadly
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 11:41am
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WIll, you are right on, unless the skippers picked up their boats at the local factory show room, white walls and three coats of clear coat.
There are all kinds of conditions effecting paint application, I was once a car painter, and the atmospheric conditions alone can play heck with paint. Temperature, humidity, overcasts on an on. Brush, mops, brooms, sprayer, thickness of layers, primers, surface preparations, again on and on. Unless you are in a temperature controlled closed spray booth with airflow control and drying system.
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Matthew Waki
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Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 12:24pm
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Hello again guys- Everyone should determine if he/she wants to trust anyone’s research based on his/her own criteria. I am a full-time professional artist and model builder and have been since 1985. Even with my experience if someone told me to go on memory alone to match a color I’d seen to a color chart I’d probably be off. I think modelers using correct thinking know that direct color matching to standard chips is folly. However, colors with specific specs provide a starting point for variations of how the paint actually appears on the subject. To me that is why Snyder & Short’s and FS Standard colors are still invaluable.
I approached believing a first hand memory of a crew member who spent significant time on his boat also as an invaluable starting point. However, I certainly wouldn’t try to put it under a spectrometer or anything. Still miles better IMO than making something up based solely on black and white photographs. Although both boats were painted at the same time and were at the same base there are significant unknown variations. I’ve been interviewing veterans for combat paintings since 1980 and have had some success in model contests in addition to professional building, so I am not without experience in this field. Judging from those who post on this forum I’m sure this subject and dozens of variation have been beaten to death here. Your choice on what you want to do with my research. Not something anybody should get bent over.
Hello as well Dave - Thanks for the heads up on PT 61. Any color photos from WWII are great to look at, regardless of color correction. I am very interested in using any photos of the 61 as they relate to the 109 in my book. I’d appreciate it if anyone who has good copies of them to contact me, or if you could point me in the right direction to contact them it would be great. A search yields a ton of posts. Also, not having the Italeri kit yet (should be here later this week) I’d like to contact those here who contributed photos to the documentation of the kit. I’m sure the photos have been seen many times before and I probably have most of them, but a complete set of all existing ones would be good to complete the documentation.
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