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 Author  Topic: Interesting artifact up for auction. PT109
TED WALTHER

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C.J.
I guess I am in the boat with you, because, I have kept one "used" flag for every NSW craft that I was either a crewmember on or the ones in which I was the Boat Captain. I wrote the craft number, the dates I was aboard, places we went, the detachments I was in, and my position on those craft. As far as I am concerned C.J. I could not be in better company.
Glad to be with you Shipmate!
Take care,
TED

P.S. Today these fall under the title of: Consumables.meaning when used up or beyond servicable used, they are discarded. Just like the PT Boats were.


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Nathaniel Smith

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Is it even real? This is what nameplates looked like for other boats. Not quite as fancy.



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Wayne Traxel

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Have seen a photo of PT-48's builders plate courtesy of Ted Walther. 48's plate appeared to be cast metal with a black back ground and white or silver raised letters. Have seen PT-556's name plate in the flesh from former crew member the late Ted Lepak. It was cast metal and dark grey in color and had suffered damage from a Mk-13 hot run in the states. Most of the other builder plates viewed in photos of either Elco or Higgins appeared similiar to your PT-154's.

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  Jerry Gilmartin

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Hello Wayne and Nat,
I took these photos of other Elco PT Boat nameplates that look similar on display at the PT Boat Museum at Battleship Cove. They look similar....Jerry

PTC12 and PT21 cast nameplates


PT189 cast nameplate



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RANDY SMITH

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I KNOW THAT THE BUILDERS PLACK FROM PT564 HELCAT WAS REMOVED BY TEDDY SPREGS A HIGGINS DESIGN ENGINEER WHEN THE BOAT WAS DELIVERED TO THE NAVY . I THINK HE SAID THAT THE PLACKS WERE REMOVED WHEN THE BOAT WAS DELIVERED AND THE NAVY ASSIGNED A NUMBER . THAY WERE GIVEN TO CAPTINS OR VIPS


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victorkchun

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For a picture of Hellcat's plaque please see page 119 of my book AMERICAN PT BOATS
IN WW II, vol. II. Does anyone know whether H stands for Higgins?

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For a picture of Hellcat's plaque please see page 119 of my book AMERICAN PT BOATS
IN WW II, vol. II. Does anyone know whether H stands for Higgins?

Victor

Victor K Chun



Hi there.

Don't know ifthe H stood for Higgins but if it was on a Hellcat is it possible that the H stood for Hellcat?

Another thought. If the H did stand for a builder then could it be that the H stood for Huckins?

Cheers

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Hey Guys, was about to tell a friend the story of the 109 ELCO builders plaque and I decided to wait and double check my sources of info, which lead me back to this posting. Does anyone recall the outcome of the proposed sell of the plaque? It seems that my poor memory thinks that Uncle Sam wound up with it. Also, I am no slouch when it comes to internet searches but I can not find a photo of the plaque. Any info and/or photos will be appreciated.

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  Scott C

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I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS LOOKED AT THE PHOTO GALLERY LATLELY BUT HOW DID THWE POIRN GGET ON THE SITE ????

Scott Campbell 2nd gen,PT 248
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  Jerry Gilmartin

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I have posted this in the past but not sure if new guys have seen it. Bryant Larson was the first XO and second CO of PT109 before JFK showed up on April 25 1943. Larson later in his life was a benefactor for PT658 in Portland since he lived in Portland since the 1960's. He attended PT Boater get togethers and was very active with our group of PT Boaters in the 1990s when we first obtained the boat. After he "took his last patrol" his son Skip Larson, has kept ties to our group in Portland, since he lives somewhere up near Tacoma WA. Anyway, this big stink about the PT109 plaque being "stolen government property" is debunked pretty thoroughly when you read the letter that Larson types to PT Boats Inc upon the occasion of donating the PT109 Commissioning Pennant to the Fall River Museum. In the letter he acknowledges that Manning took the builders plaque home with him just as Larson (the Commanding Officer of PT109) took the pennant. In effect, he fully condoned "Pappy" Manning (the outgoing Quartermaster, senior enlisted man on the boat, and crew chief) taking the plaque with his full knowledge and permission. If my Commanding Officer gives me permission to take a souvenir off of my ship, I sure as hell am not going to disobey a direct order! You can read it for yourself. This letter is on display at Fall River PT Boat museum inside the display case for RON5. I checked the PT109 Deck Logs and Larson along with Manning and 4 other crew all detached from PT109 on April 20, 1943 and JFK arrived and took command on April 25 1943. So JFK never even saw the PT109 plaque. I cannot understand how some of you still think it is somehow theft or unjust that manning was given the plaque. He and his family have every right to sell that plaque and it should not be arbitrarily siezed back by the Government after the fact.

Larson at PT658 group dinner in 1995
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The PT109 plaque formerly being auctioned by Mannings family
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Larson during WW2
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The letter explaining what happened to the Plaque from Larson in PT Boat museum
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Larsons donated Commission Pennant of PT109 on display in PT Boat Museum in Fall River next to letter
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JFK and Lenny Thom, who was XO for Larson then XO for JFK
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PT109 Watch Quarter and Station Bill in use during transport on SS Stanton that lists Larson Manning and first CO of PT109 John Kempner who transferred back to Melville when PT109 was in Panama

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Jerry Gilmartin
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