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Nuge210

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Nuge210   Send Email To Nuge210 Posted on: Jul 21, 2012 - 7:21am
Guys,

Here is the photo of F 352 that Darius spoke of, is that one of those Quad 40 mm up top ?




And the result of being hit with 40mm shell. This was damage to the 210 in the action during the Elba invasion.




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Darius

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Hello Steve,

the Vierling was a 2cm weapon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_cm_Flak_30/38/Flakvierling#2_cm_Flakvierling_38

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Nuge210   Send Email To Nuge210 Posted on: Jul 30, 2012 - 8:27am
Thanks Darius, that is very interesting stuff. FlaKvierling 38 is a quad 20mm antaircraft gun. Fires up to 1800 rpm. I think Mauser built the 38,
but not the previous models.

Keep the info coming Darius. It's all good !

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Hi All, My Dad was in the Royal Navy on MGB 659 in the Mediterranean. This beast was their main target as they would be protecting the convoys of supply vessels used by the Nazis around Sicily and Yugoslavia.

Their tactics were to operate at night only. come from the back of the line of the convoy and attack with all their guns which included twin oerlikon cannon a six pounder, twin bofors and twin Browning machine guns.

The F lighters had a very shallow draught so torpedoes were not an option, they had to be shot to pieces and even then would be hard to actually sink.

As well as heavy armour they used concrete behind the armour as well. A real tough nut to crack!

The Brits did not have good radar like the PT boats so one would accompany the flotilla (four MGBs and two MTBs) to help spot the convoy. He did say that the PTs never joined them in action and once they had spotted the enemy would provide a bearing and distance and then depart.
All action took place at night y the way as nazi air attack was a real danger in daylight.

The PTs were by all accounts very fast but lightly protected and rather vulnerable to the likes of the F Lighter.

My dad has many memories of the friendly rivalry with the PT crews on and off shore.

His is still with us at the age of 93. I have huge admiration for all of those brave men who put their lives on the line for us.

All the best Nick O'Hare


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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Nuge210   Send Email To Nuge210 Posted on: Feb 16, 2015 - 8:55am
Nick, welcome aboard. If you have seen 'Flag Four', there are numerous
references to MGB 659 . Who was the CO when your Dad was onboard ?

The Ron 15 Action Reports & War Diary don't always specify which MGB's or MTB's they worked with. I believe MGB 659 was in on Bobby Allen's 'Operation Newt'.

Another nice reference is 'Dog Boats at War' by Leonard Reynolds ( he
served on MGB 658 for three years ).

Any photos you can post are always welcome.

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Darius

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Hi,

there were also some Siebelfähren, which were used als "Kampfsiebelfähre" or "Kampffähre" in the 10th Landing-Flottilla in 1943:

http://historisches-marinearchiv.de/projekte/landungsfahrzeuge/tabellen/l-flo_10.php

Scroll down for the "Siebelfähren"-Section and look at KSF 169 or KSF 176.

They were armed with some 8,8cm guns, but were not so good platforms as the MFPs.

Greetings

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