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Will Day
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Posted on: Jul 13, 2012 - 6:56pm
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AT CLOSE QUARTERS recounts some encounters between PTs and F-Lighters......
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Darius
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Posted on: Jul 14, 2012 - 5:46am
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Hello friends,
the vessels attacked by the PT-boats were not the Artilleriefährprähme version of the MFP (AFP or AF) - they were not used in the Medditerranean Sea.
The vessels they met were other MFP - Marinefährprähme versions: transport and minelayer versions - but also in the Kampffähre-version (KF, - f.e. F 542 or F 352) the
Also ex-italian MZ-landing craft was used by the german navy as transport or KF-vessels (f.e. F 724).
For more details of all these have a look in this database (the origin of the 3D-models):
http://historisches-marinearchiv.de/projekte/landungsfahrzeuge/uebersicht.php
The entry for F 352:
http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de/projekte/landungsfahrzeuge/marinefaehrprahm/ausgabe.php?where_value=814
with a nice photo as used as a KF: http://historisches-marinearchiv.de/projekte/landungsfahrzeuge/bilder/index.php?bild=MFP_F_352.jpg&ftyp=marinefaehrprahm&id=814
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Jul 15, 2012 - 12:17pm
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Darius;
Nice info Thanks, Also Welcome Aboard!!
Take care,
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Nuge210
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Posted on: Jul 16, 2012 - 7:58am
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The Ron 15 boats, after late July 1943, tried not to get into gun battles with the F-Lighters. The 218 was chewed up pretty well making a gunnery run, suffering holing below the water line, punctured gas tanks and disabling of one engine. The Division Leader, boat Captain and Exec Officer all being wounded. Captain Barnes then decided "it was henceforth not considered profitable to engage F lighters with gun fire".
The shallow draft of the F-Lighter was a problem for torpedoes, and the low silhouette made it virtually impossible to see them on dark nights until you got very close.
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newsnerd99
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Posted on: Jul 18, 2012 - 8:43am
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In Spring of '44 the Brits came up with "Operation Gun" which is detailed in several books including At Close Quarters. Recognizing the short comings of torpedo attacks, the PT's and MGB's were teamed up with RN LCG's. There is a brief write up of one encounter involving PT 209 on my grandfather's site:
http://pistolpackinmama.net/pb/wp_2adb015f/wp_2adb015f.html
(scroll down)
You can also read the ACQ version here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/CloseQuarters/PT-6.html
(scroll down to chapter 13)
It seemed to have success but Bulkley doesn't elaborate on what happened after the initial engagements.
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RON 15 PT 209 and RON 23 PT 243
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newsnerd99
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Posted on: Jul 18, 2012 - 8:46am
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Quote:The shallow draft of the F-Lighter was a problem for torpedoes, and the low silhouette made it virtually impossible to see them on dark nights until you got very close.
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Steve, did your dad have any stories about close encounters with F-Lighters or Flak-Lighters?
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Will Day
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Posted on: Jul 19, 2012 - 10:13am
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@ BALROG: Outstanding work!
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Jul 19, 2012 - 4:49pm
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BALROG
I was so impressed with your work, that is why I posted it here. I agree with Will, OUTSTANDING!!!
Take care and welcome aboard!
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Nuge210
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Posted on: Jul 19, 2012 - 6:44pm
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Yes they are nasty looking critters. There must have been numerous configurations, from an unarmed transport or oil lighter to the Flak Lighter bristling with guns.
Balrog, welcome to the board.
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