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 Author  Topic: Revell P.T. 109 w/WEM PE
robtmelvin

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See below.

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robtmelvin

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Obviously I'm not doing something right to get the picts to show up. Any suggestions? I use Photobucket.

TIA,

Bob

Currently building: U.S.S. Buckley (Revell 1/249) and P.T. 109 (Revell 1/72). Both with PE.

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robtmelvin

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See below again. Operator error geting photos posted!

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robtmelvin

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One more time!

Hello. I just completed my build up of Revell's old 1/72 scale P.T. 109 with White Ensign's PE set and some scratch building. The paint is WEM's Tropical Green from their Colourcoat line. She is meant to depict the 109 at the time of her loss. I left the mast on the boat, since there is controversy as to whether or not it was there and I just think it looks better. I hope you enjoy my humble effort. Feedback is definitely appreciated.













Thanks for looking,

Bob


Currently building: P.T. 596 (Italieri 1/35); and U.S.S. Laffey (Dragon 1/350).

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robtmelvin

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Two more. Thanks for your patience!





Bob

Currently building: P.T. 596 (Italieri 1/35); and U.S.S. Laffey (Dragon 1/350).

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  Jerry Gilmartin

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Hi Bob,
Welcome to the forum! I by no means am an expert on PT109, but I did rebuild a PT109 model last year and was faced with this same issue with securing the 37mm cannon. As a suggestion, I think you should take that godawful string off there and replace it with tan or brown colored sewing thread. The scale of the existing string looks just too large to properly represent the line they most likely would have used. I also guessed they would have tied the 37mm cannon down to more substantial anchors than the toe rails. The toe rail is not very strong and would have probably snapped the first time the gun was shot. I bet instead of the toe rails, they used the king post and the two forward cleats. I see you already used the kingpost, but I cant tell if you used the cleats. If you think about absorbing the recoil of the gun, I bet they tied it in two separate but identical triangles. Each triangle started at the axle of the gun on each side (right and left) then to the kingpost then to the cleat on that same side as the axle and then back to the axle. I dont think they would require any ropes to be tied to the trails of the gun since they would serve no purpose in absorbing recoil.

I also think maybe you would want to make the length of those 2x8 boards below the cannon a little bit longer. If you calculate the scale length, I bet they used at least 8 foot long or possibly 10 foot long boards. The ones you have just seem to be too short.

Like I said I am not an expert and there are several members of this board who are much more knowledgable than me, but for what its worth I figured I would give you my feedback! Take care and keep up the good work!

Jerry PT658 Portland OR

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Frank J Andruss Sr

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I have to agree with Jerry on this one. The white string you used is way to large, and would look much better by using a thinner brown or tan thread to represent the tie down of the 37mm cannon. You may also want to add some coiled rope in sections of the deck, and add some helmets in areas of the guns. I am not sure how you pained the boat, but it seems like there are many rough spots, almost like the spray was too thick on the spray gun, or if you used a spray can, the nozzle was a bit clogged. Not being a modeler myself ( I have my boats done foe my Exhibit) I am not sure how you can fix the rough spots.

I am not trying to be critical of your work, but you asked and posted the shots, so there you have it. I am not that fond of the color you choose for the boat, which seems a bit too green for my taste. I am sure some of the true model builders here can really help you, they know their business very well..............


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robtmelvin

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I have to agree that the cord I used to simulate the rope that would have held the 37 mm in place did not turn out very good. I actually found some hemp cord, which is what I used, thinking it would be a good substitute for the hemp rope used at the time. Unfortunately, the cord was a bit large to thread through the toe rails and it tended to fray, though it does not look nearly as bad in person as it does in the photos. I'm looking around for a replacement for it and if anybody has any suggestions I'd love to hear them. Also, all the other 109 models I've seen have the line securing the 37 mm do run through the toe railing.

As to the color used, I decided on WEM's Tropical Green after consulting with John at WEM. Apparently MTB Green would not be correct for a boat at that time. Since there is no reliable proof as to what color the 109 was painted at the time of her loss, I elected to defer to John's expertise, as WEM produces the only accurate line of USN World War II paints I am aware of .

As to the rough nature of the paint job, that was intentional. I wanted to depict a battle worn veteran boat operating in a hostile environment, scorched by the tropical sun, inundated by tropical rains and salt water, and not having the benefit of regular maintenance. I would assume that the 109 would have looked rather rough at the time of her loss, hardly factory fresh, and that was the look I was going for.

Bob

Currently building: P.T. 596 (Italieri 1/35); and U.S.S. Laffey (Dragon 1/350).

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David Waples

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Hi Bob,
Thanks for sharing your work with us. I appreciate what you were trying to accomplish in the finish. I'm trying to figure something out for my current project on how to replicate a worn and sun stained deck. I've been toying with the idea of salt weathering but I'm not sure if that's going to work for me.

As the others have mentioned changing out the rope will probably improve the look a great deal. My friend Jerry has been trying to get me to change how I tied it down on my boat but honestly I'm scared to mess with it. Jerry Gilmartin (different that the other Jerry) indicated that it was tied down to the cleats. Not sure if it's right or not but that's how I did mine. If I remember right the purpose of strapping it to the timbers and lashing it to the deck was temporary. The intention was to create a more secure mounting later. I can't imagine what would have happened if they fired that thing off the way it was secured at the time of her sinking. JFK would probably have lost his legs as it passed through the chart house and through the helm. I'm being facetious of course.

Again I hope you enjoyed it and we'll look forward to your Italeri Elco model.

Take care
Dave

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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Hi Bob

I can see what you were trying to do with the weathering. I spoke to a few friends of mine, who said you can achieve those results by trying to use pastels. For the most part, PT's that were out in the Combat Zone, would have had some faded paint, more so on the tops of the cabin structures. Constant standing on the decks, rain, sun, all played a part in the wearing out process. Alex Johnson, who visits this site, did our PT-374 Memorial project and weathered the boat. Not too much, but enough so that the boat did not look like she did coming out of the Elco Factory. Another builder, who visit's this site is Frank Ryczek, who has boat loads of experience in weathering.

I admit, it is not easy to duplicate this process, but from what I was told pastels and sealing it with dull coat does a pretty good job. If you would like E mails from these guys, just E Mail me and I will be happy to share them.


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