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TED WALTHER
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 Posted on: Dec 27, 2011 - 4:49am
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David;
I would imagine several boats recieved the 80' mufflers, as they probably stopped making the 77' specific mufflers, somewhere along the line(probably in 1943), so every 77" still around in 1944-45 could have had the 80' mufflers added as replacements.
As for info on PT 38, rememeber she was recieved as material/cargo., you probably won't find anything say "PT 38 Returned to Melville".
and if she did come back in August 1944, with the rest of them she was Reclassified as a Small Boat, C68730, 6 February 1944. So this C68730 is what should appear, on a manifest/shipping document.
hope this helps.
Take care,
TED
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kgretter
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Posted on: Dec 27, 2011 - 4:46pm
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Hello all
I've been following this "investigation" pretty closely, and there's one thing I still don't understand. There seems to be a consensus that the final scene of the boat burning on the beach is a mock-up. Dick has posted several photos that make a convincing argument that part of the cabin in that scene is from an Elco 77'. So here's my question: If the MGM prop department made a cabin mock-up, surely it would have been of an 80 footer, since no 77's are depicted in the movie. I find it hard to imagine that they would show an 80' in a battle scene, then build a mock-up to burn on the beach that contained any part of a 77'.
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David Buck
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Posted on: Dec 27, 2011 - 9:39pm
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Hi Keith,
A good point but one that also must allow for the fact that 65 years ago that scene lasted 20-30 seconds on screen and if you wanted to see it again you would have to sit through the whole movie again. Soooo if you could go back there and explain to them that one day I could talk to you via a device called the internet and also be in touch with any one via vidieo link any time I wished to I think they would lock you up in a straightjacket in a rubber room and thruogh away the key ,
My point being if you also told them that you could stop, play back and forward any movie plus capture and dissect any scene you wanted while sitting in your liveing room the same result may occur. (Maybe with Buck Rodgers around at that time you might get away with it still would not want to try it !!!)
Time marches on and we can look back at this movie and enjoy both the abilty to watch it for what it is one of the best PT Boat movies and when we wish we can use modern technolgy to enhance the areas we wish to investergate.(Something the movie makers of that era had no idea could be possiable)
So as the flames and smoke obscure most of the mockup I would say that someone decided to cut corners and used what ever was left over from the props dept. to fill the deck of the mockup.
Just my thougths on the subject and I could be way off but as I am haveing a relaxing afternoon just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in .
Hopes that helps Keith
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Will Day
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Posted on: Dec 29, 2011 - 9:06am
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PT-38
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David Buck
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2011 - 12:39pm
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Nice find Will.
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Will Day
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2011 - 1:05pm
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I thought the depth charge rack was interesting...
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David Buck
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Posted on: Dec 31, 2011 - 3:31am
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Yes and so far can not find any other boat with this form of rack.
"Home made" do you think.....
Happy New Year Will and to all on the Board !!
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Dec 31, 2011 - 8:14am
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David;
You are correct this was a "homemade" depth charge rack, but it was common on the Tulagi 77' ELCO's(This is ny idea, but mainly because this was the only place they had the room on deck, However, I do have photos though of another boat with them installed between the torpedo tubes, I think that was a RON 1 boat). These photos are all from Gene's site:
This might be PT 38, entering Tulagi Harbor, July 1943, this boat, PT 115 and PT 116 were escorting USS Nicholas, DD 449 into Tulagi. All boats were photographed from the ship.
This photo was one taken by amature photograher ENS.David M. "HOGAN" Levy, standing on the hill behind the engineering shack/marine railway, late 1942-early 1943. You will notice this rack is present on the second 77'ELCO (which is a late series) and the last 77'ELCO (which is an early series).
Finally a late series 77' ELCO, idling out of Tulagi at dusk, to go out on patrol. This boat, with the Colt .50 cal mounts, can only be either PT 45,46(prior to collison, where bow was repaired, shorter),47,or 48.
Hope this helps.
Take care,
TED
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Will Day
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Posted on: Dec 31, 2011 - 10:59am
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Should have mentioned the PT-38 pic is from Gene's site.
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Dec 31, 2011 - 4:18pm
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Will;
I did, in the begining, they are all from Gene's site. Happy New Year!!!!
Take care,
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