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Jeff D
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 Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 8:49am
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the original debate is how the 196 was originally painted?
What Ted said about the "Green Dragon" being a generic term not specific to the 196, and that the paint job was for publicity makes sense. All the shark / dragon photos here seem to show her stateside. As a publicity paint job, it wouldn't matter what color the paint was if it was just going to be repainted. The more common gray would be just fine for a black and white print for the press and probably easier to paint over.
Is it a shark or a dragon? The mouth of a shark but the nose looks dragonish to me. When was the term "Green Dragon" first used? Was it used with this paint job? Are these really publicity shots? Will I ever nail that hot divorcee down the street?
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David Waples
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 9:12am
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I guess we all knew what this post was about from the beginning. It was another attempt by Garth to prove Dr. Ross wrong and promote himself. Once again it has failed. It seems to me the question has been asked and answered.
1) Somebody named Swasey documented Elco camouflage and identified the paint scheme as Measure 14. Do I have the right Dr. Ross?
2) I personally have several publications identifying PT-196 as Measure 14 and Garth has documented this in his own book.
3) Looking at the photos provided in now way is this boat painted in Measure 31/5P. Here's what that paint scheme looks like and when you look at the 196 photos it is obvious it is not 31/5P.
Note: This picture is to provide evidence of the camo design and not the specific color or paint used.
4) We have NO color photograph or documented evidence indicating that this boat was 31/5P or even green.
Garth has a "guess" that the information provided by "Swasey" and Dr. Ross is incorrect and
has an unidentified source that thinks he is right according to Garth. THAT IS NOT EVIDENCE.
In any event, I've really enjoyed the information provided by you guys on the 40mm. Great photos and information which will be very helpful. My friend Jerry just called me to tell me that he has a complete box with ammo. We'll try and photograph that.
Dave
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alross2
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 9:20am
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Quote:
1) Somebody named Swasey documented Elco camouflage and identified the paint scheme as Measure 14. Do I have the right Dr. Ross?
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David Swasey was a camoufleur at ELCO during WWII.
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David Waples
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 9:32am
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Thanks for the clarification Al. If anyone should know....
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Ray Wilbur
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 12:52pm
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I'm not going to get into this kind of stuff on here. But, Frank, Dave, I wish they had a like button on here like facebook so I could hit it on your comments. Let's move on, ok?
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 1:01pm
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To quote Rodney King: Cant we all just get along? Come on guys lets move on. Agree to disagree and move on. PLEEEASE?
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Dick
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 1:28pm
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Enough is enough, this subject post "Questions" is closed.
Please don't force me to remove it. it has some interesting info, references and photos, to delete this post at this time would be a shame.
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Will Day
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 5:16pm
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Awwwww. . . How else are we gonna get in the Xmas Spirit?
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 6:03pm
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At this point, I hope I am going to get something in my Christmas Stocking.........
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Jerry Beasley
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Posted on: Nov 25, 2011 - 7:33pm
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Guys - let me address the other side of the thread - some of you may know or not but I am a very serious 40mm collector - about a year ago I came across a fellow that had a can in his attic that his dad had brought home in 1944 that was in mint condition and hadn't been touched since he put it there - in the can were 16 inert rounds set into 4 clips - Charlie no need to take the pictures for Dave - I will be seeing him at boat club tomorrow and I am going to load the box and rounds into the van and HE can take all the pictures he wants - heck he can take it home for awhile and play with it if he wants - if anyone on the site wants pictures I would be happy to take a detailed set like Jerry Gilmartin frequently does for us and put them on the site - inside, outside, loaded or empty - just let me know and I will take them for you.
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