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 Author  Topic: New subjrct for Revell 1/72 PT boat kit
John V

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I am almost done with my OOB PT-109 and am looking at picking up another kit for another boat. I have a few questions, I want to do an early boat similar to the 109 before Kennedy got it but not necessarily the 109. What color, gray? Also would the boats that got there in '42 have had depth charges?I am basically using a similar kit, the PT 167 "zebra" boxing but have no interest in "striping" it.Also what would have been the configuration for the fore deck? Was the balsa float really there and the life lines and stanchions? I am also hoping to find a subject with the mast. Any good pictures of an early 80 ' Elco in the South Pacific in a similar set up to this? Thanks for all the help on my current project.---John


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David Waples

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There are several choices of course. May I suggest the 105 boat operated by Dick Keresey and John Iles. That's what I'm working on in 1/48 scale. With the standard A frame mast it would be under Mr. Keresey's command. Radar was installed by the time Mr. Iles took command. Another excellent choice would be PT-107.

Out of the factory it would be painted Standard Gray which would be Dark Gray 5D for the deck and upper surfaces. The hull would be painted Light Gray 5.

In theatre Mr. Keresey described the color of his boat as "Battleship Gray". I would interpruit that as Measure 1 overall Dark Gray 5D. In theatre Mr. Keresey's crew added a .50 cal on the foredeck mounted to what Mr. Keresey described as a pipe that passed through the hull and secured below. This was later converted to a 37mm under Mr. Iles command.

These colors come from Al Ross' book in the Bluejacket kit. Pictures of the 105 boat are very common. Here are some photos of PT-103 and 107 sporting what I believe is Dark Gray 5D. Caution, people will argue it is green but I don't think so.





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Will Day

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I have noticed before in these refueling shots that all of the tubes on the boats seem to be trained outward. Any idea why?

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John V

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Thanks for the pictures and color interpretations. The wheels are turning!---John


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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Only two reasons I can think of Will, One, is that it was much easier to fire a torpedo should something come up quick, rather than take the rime to hand crank them into position. I had heard this was done just before leaving for a patrol, or shortly after to avoid costly time. The other, could be that it was easier to walk around the boat while fueling. Just my own thoughts here...............


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David Waples

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For John's benefit I'll put these pictures into perspective. These photos are from Frank Johnson's book. They show the 103 and 107 boats being moved up to their new base at Rendova.

One thing I find interesting about the 107 boat is that it still has its air horn. The 103 does not seem to have it any longer. I digress.

Johnson's book does not give any indication on why the tubes are trained in their firing position. It would be interesting to get a perspective on this from one of our vets. Training them out would reduce the space around the fueling locations as they are slightly aft of the pivot points on the tubes. Maybe there's a reason for doing it that way?

Here's a photo of the 105 boat at Panama prior to being deployed. Note that none of the windows on these boats is painted over including the windows on the forward side of the chart house. Also the wind screens are unpainted as well and Mr. Keresey told me that he never painted them over and this appears to be true of the 103 and 107 boats as well. At some point he removed the wrap around the helm to try and reduce weight.

Also note the wood bit on the foredeck. This changed to the metal bit on the 109 boat.

Note: This 105 photo from Navsource identifies the boat off the east coast. Frank's book identifies the boat off the coast of Panama.


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Will Day

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I always sort of assumed that those shots were publicity shots taken off the east coast, if for no other reason than the officers on the bridge are wearing neckties! lol

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TED WALTHER

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Will;
You are correct these photos and the rest of the set was photographed on or about 18 July 1942 off east coast. RON 5 did not head to Panama until late August 1942.(at this time RON 5 consisted of PT 103-PT 114).
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TED


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John V

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Thanks, so the boats just off the liberty ships would be 5D deck and topside with 5L hull and red below water line and then when put in service were overall 5D with red below water line. When did they start using depth charges? Also it looks as though most had the balsa float on the day cabin behind the mast. It looks as if the spotlight isn't where Revell put it. It seems to be a little further back on the port side and behind the cockpit wall a bit. I guess the next one I will have to do some dremeling and sanding on the foredeck but the painting will be a breeze, overall 5D(gunship gray) with red hull below the waterline!---John


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David Waples

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Hi John,
The depth charges on these boats are replaced with torpedo tubes when the get into theatre. However depth charges are seen on PT Boats throughout the war.
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