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Nuge210

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Nuge210   Send Email To Nuge210 Posted on: Mar 6, 2010 - 7:52am
Does anyone know what would be written under the hatch cover ? It's so out of focus, even under magnification it's not readable. Maybe a duty roster ?

In the background is a British 'Dog' boat, MGB 663. The photo was taken in Bastia, Corsica.
Pretty decent view of her aft '6 Pounder'.



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TED WALTHER

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Steve;
That looks like a version of a QM tracking board.
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Ted,

I'm not familiar with a QM tracking board. What is its function?

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TED WALTHER

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Al;
LOL! True heading, Course, speed, distance to next way point, time to next way point, etc. I always had mine written up for quick reference, I never had anything like this. Of course I had the stuff already plotted on Furuno , and in my last boat Transis.
It was just a guess; it might even be a quick reference board for call signs and if they used them like we did, the all call signs would change at 0000.
Do you have a guess?
Take care,
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Frank J Andruss Sr

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By the way, what type of boat is this Hatch Cover attached to.


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It took me a couple minutes of looking at the picture to understand what I was looking at. Based on the shapes, I think it's the bridge of a Higgins. The torpedo sight is fitted in the V of the windshield and the hatch is the hinged hatch over the companion. Seems like a logical place to put what you describe, as the helmsman (QM) stood just to the left of the hatch.

Would they have used a similar device for tracking a torpedo target? Maybe if there's a TM on the board, he could respond.

Al


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TED WALTHER

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I hope this comes out, it has been awhile since I posted images!
This is a image of a status board.
This is just an example I found in my Chapman's Piloting: Seamanship and Small Boat Handling.
Looking at the spaces that are on that board on the inside of the hatch cover, I am sure they probably had extra info as I mentioned in my previous post such as time to next way point, next course, time to next way point, etc. Even though I was Det Lead Navigator of my last MK V SOC Det., my job was alot easier than it was back in 1943-1944 while in RON 15. Where is QM? Maybe he used something like this in RON 12.
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Dick

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Dick   Send Email To Dick Posted on: Mar 6, 2010 - 11:58pm

Frank . . .

The boat is a Higgins, I've labeled some items in the photo reproduced below.

According to "At Close Quarters" section 5, number 12, page 305, "Fun with Rockets". RON 15 and some of it's Higgins 200 series boats experiment with rockets as a desperate measure to find a weapon that would be effective against F-Lighters. These launchers were described in Polmar & Morison's book as "Mouse Trap ASW Projectile Launchers". RON 15 only used them twice. Their accuracy was less then desired, and they took off with such a blaze of flames that the position of the PT's were revealed. In the first action PT'-202, 204 and 211 were involved but no actual details were given of the use of the rockets. The number of boats outfitted and their PT designation is not detailed. However photos published in Victor's and Frank Johnson's books clearly shows PT-211 as outfitted in a single photo. Also PT-202 is seen along with a second unidentified boat along side, each equipped with these launcher (maybe the 204?). Just maybe the boat in the photo is 202, 204 or 211.

Dick . . .






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Nuge210

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There is a Ron 15 Action Report from 29/30 December 1943 ( A R no. 23 ) that has some
interesting items on the 4.5 inch rockets. That AR involves the 214 & the 218 boats, and the
214 fired 15 of its 16 rockets at a target.

The AR also says that " all boats have for some time been equipped with racks to carry 12-16 4.5 inch rockets. This type of weapon is considered a valuable preliminary to a gunnery engagement but its destructive value has yet to be established ". I can't seem to find when
the installations first started.

Also it says the flight time at 950 yards is 18 seconds ( 48 degree elevation at idling speed ) and that the weapon can only be used on a slow target.

I think only Ron 15 was outfitted with these type rockets. Somewhere I read that the boat crews were terrified of firing those things !

( I'm looking for more rocket photos 0.



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Nuge210

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Here's one for you. I don't know which Ron 15 boat this is though. I was just thinking that I've never seen one of the rockets itself ! More searching........




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