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 Author  Topic: Al Ross & group - Follow up on Atlantic PT Boat colors
David Waples

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of David Waples  Posted on: Mar 2, 2010 - 5:23am
Greetings Al and all,
On the FSM forum I posted a question last year about the possible color of some Atlantic based PT Boats. I recently came across the attached photo of a sailor with ammo and if I remember correctly this was supposed to be a PT Boat. But I'm not convinced it is. But the color is interesting. Can you identify the boat? I'm wondering if the color is the same. I've also included a photo of the boats which was the basis of my original question.




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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Mar 2, 2010 - 5:57am
Hi David,

That color shot is of one of the 77 footers used at Melville, Alex Johnson can verify that my statement is correct and accurate.

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Got to agree Garth, looks very much like the ship shown here.
http://www.historylink101.com/ww2_navy/org/ships/TorpedoBoat/13626.html
Right down to the uniforms and depth charges.
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David Waples

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Thanks for the input guys. I'm having a hard time buying that this is a 77' Elco. The cabins and vent pipes don't match up. I was thinking that it might be one of the other PT's other than an Elco, or Higgins.
Dave

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Mar 2, 2010 - 7:32am
You know something guys ... I had a closer look at that photo, could it be like the 140 or 139?

i:77ftrs/pt66underway.html

Look at this photo and you might see a similarity with the color shot.


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TGConnelly

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David,

You might be right.

Look at the color shot of the 314 on History101 ... the positioning of the depth charges is a match for the 314 ...

But, if you also look at the color shot of the 20mm on board a 77 footer, it also is similar too - I mean the positioning of the MARK 6 depth charges.

But, hey, ya know - I could be wrong ................

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On the HistoryLink101 link shown above, the hull number of the boat is painted on the 20mm magazine - I can't read it on my screen but will run the print through photoshop at lunch and see if I can enhance it enough to read the number.
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DAve and Garth,
Must be getting close to something. The color shot Dave posted is #13624 from the naval slide collection at the national archives. The link I posted is a shot #13626 and shot #13625 is a photo of PT 140.
http://www.historylink101.com/ww2_navy/org/ships/TorpedoBoat/13625.html
Coincidence? Will keep looking.
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Ah, my first gut-feeling was on target. Good. I might be still good at this stuff.


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David;
The 77' Elco in question is PT 62 RON 4 or 5, you can see this painted on the 20mm magazine the sailor is holding. The early 80' Elco is PT 107 RON 5. Here are the photos in order of the website Gary posted:
1. PT 314 RON 4 near Melville.
2. PT 140 RON 4 near Melville at speed.
3.PT 62 20mm gunnery exercise.
4. Stbd side .50 cal mount PT 107 RON 5.
5. Smoke screen looks like a 314 series(probably 314, 315, 316, or 317, or RON 24 boats, but can't be sure) or later 80' Elco, looking at the engine hatch the crewman is leaning on.
6. PT 463 RON 31 Lake Ponchatrain, La.
7. Another RON 31 boat Lake Ponchatrain, La
8. Probably a RON 4 or 5 boat, can't tell.
9.RON 13 boats
10 PT 536 RON 37
11. PT 333 RON 24 "The Green Beast"
12.PT 332 RON 24
13. PT 333 RON 24 "The Green Beast"
14.PT 333 RON 24 "The Green Beast"
15. LT. Ed Pope watches crewman paint another tally mark on PT 134 RON 25
16 PT 129 and PT 130 "New Guinea Krud" RON 8
17.The photo with the rockets is probably an LCT(R). When I get home, I can tell you the paint colors, as per the Testors FS system.
18. RON 31 or RON 32 boat underway at Kerama Retto. These were the only Higgins squadron assigned to Okinawa.
hope this helps.
Take care,
TED


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