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Does anyone have any photos or information about PT 3? Are there any surviving members of the first Ron 1? Thank you


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Hello rct. Know of one person who was at the bombing, attach etc. of Peary Harbor.1941 He was in ron 2,3 4 and ron 5. His name is Stockt Stockdale and he is 92 years old and lives in Arizonia. I was on the 107 boat with him in the Solomons He was a fontastic poker player jws ron 5 and ron 39


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Hello rcr,
PT3 was built by Fisher Boat Works in Detroit to compete in the 59 foot class that the Navy said they were considering.
"On June 8, 1939, a contract was let to the Fisher Boat Works, Detroit, Mich., for PT's 3 and 4. These boats were essentially the Crouch design, modified in some details by the Bureau of Ships." It was built and tested but the Navy did not accept her for use as a PT Boat since they decided it was too short to carry 4 torpedoes.

Motor Torpedo Boat Squadrons 1 and 2 were ordered south for the winter of 1940. Squadron 1, comprised of PT's 3, 4, 7, and 8, was beset by engineering mishaps. In Florida the boats were joined by the first PT tender, USS Niagara, whose repair facilities were limited, but she was the best available at the time, and the experience gained in operating with the Niagara was to prove valuable in planning later tenders.

Squadron 2, completed with the delivery of her last 70 foot Elco boats on December 31, 1940, made the trip to Miami without undue difficulty.

All boats had been scheduled for shakedown cruises to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, but the Squadron 1 boats were clearly so inadequate that Squadron 2 sailed alone for Cuba. Squadron 1 stayed in Florida, where it took delivery of the Higgins boats, PT's 5 and the second PT6. (aka PT 6 "Prime")

After the cruise to Cuba, further plans for cruising in the West Indies were cut short at the end of March, when the squadrons were ordered to proceed to New York to transfer most of their boats to the British under lend-lease.

Of the Squadron 1 boats, only the Higgins-designed PT 6 was considered worth keeping for further tests; the British did not want the aluminum-hull PT 8, so PT's 3, 4, 5, and 7 were scheduled for transfer to the British, who desperately needed them in the Mediterranean. The Squadron 1 boats and PT's 9 to 15 were transferred in April. Transfer of PT's 16 to 19 was delayed until July, so that those four boats, with PT's 6 and 8, could be sent to Newport, R.I., to assist in training new personnel pending delivery of the first 77-footers.

Then sometime in late 1941 the PT3 was reclassified as a "Small Boat" and changed to become a Harbor Patrol Craft for the duration fo WW2. I am unsure why she was never sent to England. Today, the PT3 still exists and is for sale I believe by the current owner. I got this info from the book "At Close Quarters" by Captain John Bulkley. Here is a photo from that same book. Jerry

The Scott-Paine PT 9 paces PT 3, the Fisher Boat Works' 58-foot boat.
(ACME PHOTO)


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Thank you for posting the often used but fantastic photo of PT 3 and PT 9 on the day of commissioning. I am hoping for someone to have some other not seen photos. PT 3 , 4 and 9 spent the war at Halifax as air sea rescue craft and were returned to the U.S. Navy at New Rochelle ,N.Y. in 1945 surveyed ,stripped of machinery and sold. the record should be set straight for these boats as the oft repeated information about lend lease to Britain and reclassification to small boats as well as training boats for Packard engine mechanics and torpedomen is related to PT 1, 2 and other craft.


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Hey rcr,
Do you have inside knowledge about when those boats were stationed at Halifax, Nova Scotia used as an Air Sea Rescue Craft? Do you have anything wriiten, or photos? Do you have any names of people who may remember seeing her there? I would love to see it for my own interests as well. That is outstanding if you have that info. I think the root cause for the inaccurate information about PT3 is because the book At Close Quarters lists it as such and also the Shipbuilding Industries chart by Colton Industries lists it as MTB273. So does the Haze Grey website PT Boat List
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/pt/list.htm

(58' Fisher Boat Works)
PT3
PT4 Placed in service July 24, 1940. Transferred under lend-lease to Britain, April 19, 1941.

Here is a copy of the chart on Colton industries listing it as well
http://www.shipbuildinghistory.com
Then click on "U.S. Navy Boats and Craft - 48 tables"
Then click on "Torpedo Boats (PT, BPT) during WWII"
Here is a copy of the chart:
Type # Shipbuilder Location Length FY Delivery Disposition
PT 1 Fogal Boats Miami FL 59 38 Nov-41 Prototype, later C 6083, used for training at Melville RI
PT 2 Fogal Boats Miami FL 59 38 Nov-41 Prototype, later C 6084, used as service launch at Newport RI
PT 3 Fisher Boatworks Detroit MI 59 38 Jun-40 Prototype, to Britain 1941 as MTB 273
PT 4 Fisher Boatworks Detroit MI 59 38 Jun-40 Prototype, to Britain 1941 as MTB 274
PT 5 Higgins Industries New Orleans LA 81 38 Mar-41 Prototype, to Britain 1941 as MTB 269
PT 6 Higgins Industries New Orleans LA 81 38 Feb-41 Prototype, to Britain 1941 as MTB 270
PT 6 Higgins Industries New Orleans LA 54 38 Aug-40 Prototype, to Britain 1941 as MGB 68
PT 7 Philadelphia NSY Philadelphia PA 81 38 Apr-41 Prototype (aluminum), to Britain 1941 as MTB 271
PT 8 Philadelphia NSY Philadelphia PA 81 38 Apr-41 Prototype (aluminum), intended for Britain 1941 as MTB 272 but retained as YP 110
PT 9 Scott-Paine U.K 70 38 Jun-40 Prototype, to Britain 1940 as MTB 258

Thanks for the information!. Jerry


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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Feb 15, 2010 - 4:53pm
I would email you a photo of the 3 in Canadian service with your address. The instructions here for photo posting are for someone else, not me. I have the deck logs for that period and the survey report I spoke of. perpetuating incorrect information about this 59 foot (not 58') has gone on long enough.


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able to peck away only one thing at a time, PT 7 Philadelphia Navy Yard made of WOOD


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That you, Roger???

Al Ross


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I"ve got some material on the experimental boats in RCAF service, including photos. Here's ex-PT7:



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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Feb 15, 2010 - 6:42pm
fantastic photo of WOOD PT 7 In Canada. PT 3 was B 119. Thank you Al


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