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TED WALTHER
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 Posted on: Jul 1, 2009 - 10:08am
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Dick;
Thanks for the effort, The first is from some magazine article, however, I do have this same in photo, but it is developed in sepia, and it is a little darker.Wayne sent me the second one, and about three more, but they don't show the mount.
As for the Maxon Mount itself, there is a photo of a Japanese prisoner, sitting on a ready storage ammo locker on 195's foredeck, it was in the newspaper years ago. That photo peaked my interest in this mount, when I found out it was Alfred Vanderbilt's PT 195, I was even more interested, as his family had an estate close to my Uncle Joe's 7 acre estate and my Uncle George's 3 acre estate in Oyster Bay and Glen Head, Long Island. I have recently seen a photo of him and most of his crew, but they stand in front of the mount, covering it up. In the second photo, they have ready magazines for the mount stowed on the deck agains the port side of the forward cabin. Where is Russ? This was his boat also.
Take care,
TED
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Jerry Gilmartin |
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Posted on: Jul 1, 2009 - 10:58am
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Hi Ted,
Maybe I am not looking in the right place on your photos, but I cant see a Quad Machine gun mount anywhere! Can you tell me where I need to look? Is it on the bow just aft of the 37mm cannon? Or is it on the stern just forward of the 40mm? Are the crewmen on the bow covering it up? Thanks Jerry
Here is a photo of one mounted on CV16 Lexington in 1945
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Jul 1, 2009 - 11:39am
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OOPS!
Damn I must be getting OLD!! I made a mistake, PT 194 was skipped by Ens. Robert Hursh Jr., PT 195(boat with Maxon mount) was skippered by LT Ray Turnbull and was Russ Pullano's boat. PT 196 was skippered by LT Alfred Vanderbilt, so there I admit....I made a mistake.
Anyway, the first photo, is of a prisoner on deck of another boat, the 195 Maxon is in the backround.
PT 194 breaking away from Wachapreague after refueling. Enroute to Leyte Gulf 19-21 October 1944.
Third is Vanderbilts crew on PT 196.
O.K. I am done.
TAKE CARE,
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Jerry Gilmartin |
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Posted on: Jul 1, 2009 - 2:35pm
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Wow! Thanks Ted!
Those photos are awesome! Thanks for posting them to the message board. I can see where it is now. Pretty cool. It seems like they removed the twin 50's from the turrets and put 20mm in their place on the Mark 19 mounts. This freed up deck space to put the quad 50 where the forward 20mm would normally be mounted on the Port Bow. More firepower so it makes a lot of sense. That sure looks like one mean PT Boat! Jerry
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Jul 1, 2009 - 3:25pm
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From the photo, it looks like the 195's 37mm gunner would have been in a little bit of a hairy position in combat, out in front of that quad .50...
Maybe they had some kind of "interrupter" on the quad mount -- like an aircraft's, to keep it's nose guns from shooting up the propeller -- to prevent it from firing through the 37mm position?
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AlmKord
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Posted on: Jul 1, 2009 - 6:03pm
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I agree with Jerry.
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Jul 1, 2009 - 8:57pm
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Jerry;
RON 9 and RON 12 both carried what was know as the MK 12 scarff ring mount into the combat zone. However, Al also knows of some RON 10(which also tested the first models) and RON 11 boats.
It must be remembered that armament packages for the most part did not remain constant, especially in the earlier squadrons, in the combat zone. For example in a blown up photo of the first group of RON 9 boats shipped on the White Plains, Micheal Pessalano's PT 155 appears to have two covered 20mm MK 12 mounts, as does Herb Knight's PT 152 and PT 153. Most boats fitted with it carried it in the forward turret,such as Ham Smith's PT 154 and Bud Liebenow's PT 157, but some boats did carry it in the aft turret in the Solomons and beyond, such as PT 155.
But Rex Anderson's PT 156 in RON 9 and Ray Turnbull's PT 195 carried them in both turrets. (However, according to Russ' photos, when he was on the 195 boat, at least for the period when the photos were taken, the MK 12 's were temporarily replaced with a MK 17 mounts and twin .50's. The common practice was to remove turret depression rails were removed, at least on RON 12 boats with the MK 12, and in Russ' photo, the rear turret has no depression rail. As we know there must be an exception to the rule, and that appears to be Ed Pope's PT 134, then in RON 25, which has the removed depression rail on the aft turret, but in the photo I have, she sports twin .50's. If she ever carried a MK 12, I don't know but she might have). I am not sure, but I believe and correct me if I am wrong, boats fitted with this mount carried two as their combat load out, at least from the states, and was changed later on in the Solomons and New Guinea.
Take care all,
TED
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Posted on: Jul 2, 2009 - 7:19am
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I have been chomping at the bit to download and view these. No joy! I there a PhotoBucket site where I can view these?
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Jul 2, 2009 - 9:30am
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Steve;
just go to the instructions at the top of the page.
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SteveS156 |
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Posted on: Jul 3, 2009 - 7:42am
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Damn internet connection is too slow to download. Can you e-mail them to me?
Stehlingsg@broadstar.net
Thanks!
Steve
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