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Wayne Traxel
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 Posted on: May 25, 2009 - 10:20am
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Victor and Glenn,
I received photos in 2001 from the late Gerry Keuhn, widow of Walter W. Keuhn MoMM 1/c of PT 331. Also received a compiled Ron 21 history with a list of Squadron 21 Personnel. Washington, George (n) , Ck3, Houston, Texas is listed.
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victorkchun
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Posted on: May 25, 2009 - 10:34am
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Hi Glenn,
The picture of PT 331 I referred to is still in message board dated May 21, 2009, 5:34 from Wayne Traxel. Olease check it out and see what you
think.
Victor
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QM
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Posted on: May 25, 2009 - 7:31pm
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| Re the picture of Lt. Luvvorn and Oneal Joshua , I believe the identification of the site being on PT 110 may be incorrect. PT 110 was destroyed in a collision on Jan. 26, 1944. Lt. Luvvorn appears on a Ron 12 roster "1943 to 1944". Someone has previously posted that he was later transferred to Ron 11. PT 110 was never in either of those squadrons. Joshua appears on a Ron 12 roster. The boat cannot be identified in the picture. My guess is that the picture is a Ron 12 boat. |
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victorkchun
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Posted on: May 26, 2009 - 4:26pm
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Hi Wayne,
Thanks for your latest posting about African American & PT boats.
Please advise what's the (n) after the name George mean? Also
what's Ck 3?
After looking through all the information regarding this subject, there
seem to be a conflict as to who was on PT 331 Joshua or George Washington? What's youe opinion on this?
Victor
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Glenn Knoblock
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Posted on: May 26, 2009 - 8:36pm
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Victor...We are talking about 2 different men here. George Washington served on PT-331...that is him shown in the pictures on Wayne's post. The "n" after his name means no middle name (either he had none, or one was not given at time of enlistment). CK-3 refers to his rate, which stands for Officer's Cook 3rd class, a petty officer rating in the Steward's Branch of the Navy, to which African Americans were restricted, as well as many Guamanians and Filipinos (not all, though). This was the segregated branch of the Navy that served officers by preparing and serving meals, keeping quarters, etc. However, in combat stewards did have GQ ("general quarters" or battle station positions as gunners, loaders, ammo passers, corpsmen, stretcher bearers. etc. Washington's GQ station on PT-331 was a part of the stern 40mm gun crew as a loader.Prior to reaching petty officer status, Blacks were rated as steward's mates (Stm) with the same duties. My records show that Washington was an STM-2 or 1st class in early 1944, but he must have done his duty well, as he seems to have ended his serve as CK-3. By the way, a CK should not be confused with the general rating of ship's cook (SK), held only by white sailors...this man cooked the grub for enlisted men aboard larger ships. Of course, given their small crew size, any steward (CK or Stm) carried aboard a PT would have prepared meals for all in the crew, not just officers. I am told first hand this was the case on PT-331.
In regards to O'Neal, I know little about him...he has nothing to do with PT-331. I defer to QM's post as to his boat and the likelihood he was not aboard PT-110, but would point out that this websites own archives identify the boat in question as PT-110 on which O'Neal is shown pouring a cup of coffee, with no date given. This photo, by the way, has the look to me of a staged publicity shot, but for what purpose I'm uncertain. In a real situation I doubt either man would have been in the uniforms as shown, but more casually dressed.
Hope this clarifies things
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Posted on: May 27, 2009 - 10:58am
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I NEVER knew this.
WOW. I learned something new ..................
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Glenn Knoblock
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Posted on: May 27, 2009 - 4:21pm
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One mistake in my previous post...the rating designation for ship's cook was SC, not SK (this a designation for storekeeper).
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Wayne Traxel |
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Posted on: May 28, 2009 - 4:53am
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Oh Man, How could I have forgotten about middle initial (n) from Naval Training Center, San Diego. While filling out info for dog tags. The man running this phase said "Fill out this form starting with your last name first followed by your first name and ending with your middle initial." " If you do not have a middle initial, the Navy will provide one for you." Use the letter "n" for you're middle initial." " Everyone in the Navy has a middle initial." NTC San Diego 1968 .
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Andy Small
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Posted on: Oct 11, 2014 - 5:00pm
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Hi All,
I have this photo from the estate of LTJG William Diver (Officer without the lid) showing what I believe is the crew of PT 195 around the time of Leyte. I do not know who the Gent in front of the LT is, but digging through the Ron 12 muster reports shows several personnel with steward ratings.
Also one of Frank's threads mentioned a Desso Bruce Bryant Jr St1C. According to the muster reports, he was with the Observation Squadrons (VO-2 and VO-4) before the war (on Battleships) but then was assigned with Ron 1, Ron 3 and Ron 22 (among many other assignments during and after the war).
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Posted on: Oct 12, 2014 - 8:20am
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Thanks Andy, regardless of his duties he certainly looks like an accepted member of the crew in that photo.
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