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Shaneo2
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Posted on: Apr 3, 2009 - 10:28am
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GR Powell,
If you want more information on Rendova Harbor, feel free to email me through this sites redirect...and I presume it will go on to my email ? If you are in the US I will grab my chart and maybe this Sunday the 5th, I can go through some information with you via the phone. Up to you.
Do you have more photo's you have in question from Rendova Harbor ?
I left some comments about the Rendova Harbor further back in this lists of replies.
I am in the Pacific time zone USA right now
Regards
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Posted on: Apr 3, 2009 - 12:05pm
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GR;
You are correct in every aspect!
The damaged photo of 167 underway at slow speed that you posted is mine. That is my hand writing at the top of the photo. As you can see Alyce Mary Guthrie's hand writing is on the side "PT 107x4".
I found this photo at PTHQ in Dec 1997, when I was searching through the photo files, That is also my blue pen mark, they originally had this photo in a file labeled PT 107!
The SO radar mast is folded down! And for all those in the other post about the other PT boat skippered by that funny sounding Red Sox fan...notice were Ted Berlin is flying the flag!
The photo of 167 with the SCR 517(Beehive) radar mast was taken near the ELCO factory prior to shipment, as this is also my photo.
167 was damaged in the sinking of the Stanvac Manila. Some of the ships rigging, got caught on the boat and she sank down with the ship, some how her boyancy worked in her favor breaking what ever restraints were still secure and she shot back up to the surface. when she resurfaced her dayroom was ripped off, and everything aft of that was either gone or damaged. Probably by some rigging cable(s) near the foremast.Or as stated in the discription, the foremast itself. PT 172 was literally thrown off the ship and broke her stem as the ship rolled to starboard, bow up.
PT 167 went out on patrols with a plywood sheets over the dayroom "hole" when she first went out, then the tougue and grove 2x6's were made up by base force and as you can see a SO radar mast was mounted. Also notice the aft 20mm, that does not look like a MK 4 mount to me. She finished the war with this dayroom repair configuration.
Around Jan 1945, she got a new SO-A radar mast.
Hell, all we have to do is ask Bob Pickett! He was there. So was George Holasek.
Go to Gene's website, go to misc views page two. Just look at the photo of Ted Berlin underway on 167 in Jan 1944, I don't think Ted was 11 feet tall. Look how the top of his head is even with the SO radar mast cross brace. On a normal boat Ted would have to be 11 feet tall for his head to be even with this brace, since a normal dayroom top was 3 1/2'-4' off the deck. Mike Berlin(Ted's son) used to post on the board, I also had his personal e-mail address, but it has been deactivated and I can't get in touch with him now.
Well thats for now,
Take care,
TED
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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Posted on: Apr 3, 2009 - 2:24pm
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Jerry & CJ
Jerry, I am pretty sure you had posted the inner workings of the Torpedo once before, so I thank you for the tecnical data. CJ, thanks for your imput as well. It would seem that the torpedo that holed PT 167, did not reach the required number of revolutions to explode on impact. It would make sence that the torpedo would explode no mater what it hit, steel, wood, concrete, the beach., once it became armed.
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CJ Willis
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Posted on: Apr 3, 2009 - 3:08pm
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Frank: At torpedo school in Keyport, WA. we would fire the mark 8 torpedoes out of a tube at the dock. They would would make their run down Puget Sound. At the end of the run air was injected in what normally was the warhead - the torpedo would then surface. We would retrieve them in a boat - bring them back to the base. It was part of our training to overhaul these in the shop to learn the inside workings of the torpedo so they could be fired again.
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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Posted on: Apr 3, 2009 - 3:25pm
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CJ
I wonder how many of them are still at the bottom of the bay. I have a friend of mine who is a diver and has done extensive work in Narragansett Bay, just outside the cove that was once the MTBSTC. He has located several dummy torpedoes, and has the location of them. The big question, what the heck would I do with one...........
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Apr 3, 2009 - 5:17pm
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Frank;
what would you do with one? Hmmmmmmmmmm! You could have one you could display, then if there are more than 12 that have been located I know of a place that could use them in the future, are you getting my drift? Respond off line if you would.
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TED
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G R Powell
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Posted on: Apr 4, 2009 - 5:45am
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Ted,
Thanks very much for your good work in locating and properly labeling this important photo of PT 167. Do you think it was taken by the same photographer who took the photo shown on page 142 of AT CLOSE QUARTERS? I see that picture is cited in the book with this reference number: 80-G-650957. I assume that means this is a US Navy photo. If so, I wonder if the photo you found in the 107 file at HQ might also be a US Navy photo. I would like to find the original.
Also, where did you find the details on the Stanvac Manila sinking? That is the most detailed explanation of the damage that I have read.
Shaneo, I don't have any Rendova photos other than ones that have already been posted. You can email me at Gerald_Powell@baylor.edu
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Apr 4, 2009 - 8:01am
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GR
It is a combination of talking/writting with veterans of the 167 boat and the written discription in At Close Quarters. I did all this research before and after doing my 1/32nd scale model of 167 in 1992. Check out my model in my portion of the photobucket account, however, I did not know the dayroom was not fully repaired until last year.
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TED
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G R Powell
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Posted on: Apr 5, 2009 - 6:39am
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Ted,
Your model of the 167 is very nice. Am I correct that it is modeled to the time the 167 was in New Guinea -- maybe spring and summer of 1944?
I got a photocopy from Alyce of the photo of 167 you found at HQ. It verifies that the photo was taken at Rendova and that it was taken the day after the torpedo attack. It also identifies the person who contributed the photo. Did you ever communciate with this person? I would like to track down the original (and perhaps clearer) photo. Do you have any current contact information on the Cooks?
This is a scan of a xerox of a copy, but it at least shows the writing:
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BobPic
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Posted on: Apr 5, 2009 - 7:58am
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The reason that the radar mast is not showing in the picture of the damaged 167 is that part of the damage was the removal of the mast by the Jap plane. The best story of the Stanvac Manilla sinking is the story of PT 171 at http://www.pt171'org/PT171/writeups/stanvac.htm .I was not there but us later crew heard the storry many times and this article is just like it was told.
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