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TGConnelly

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Frank -

North Africa in '45?

That doesn't jibe with all of the documentation that I've seen that states that Ron 29 was disbanded in '44?

Would we give the Soviets THAT type of technology? I realize we were allies and some of the Higgins, Elcos and Vospers and some of the SCs we gave them had radar - but I was under the impression we held some things back ... I dunno. But, I do know that we were 'upset' that they kept the few B-29s that landed in Soviet territory because of their technology ...........

My site has a photo of the 174 in '45 with a Thunderbolt mounted so, a Ron 10 boat had one for sure ................




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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Some more information here. Seems that when the boats were turned over to the Russians, the US Navy stripped the boats of what is considered practical parts that the Russians did not use. Their priciple weapons were the 20MM, so it would make since that the Thunderbolts would stay in place as they had the ammo for them. Roll off racks were removed as well as other parts not compatible with their own systems. More to follow as I find out...........


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Or, ..............

film at 11.........................


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Here is a side note concerning the Thunderbolt and how many there were, go to this site: http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57u.htm
and you can read that 2 Thunderbolts each were installed on Massachusetts (BB-59), Maryland (BB-46),(so this narrows down that color photos in the photobucket account) and by June 1944 were authorized for installation on Arkansas (BB-33), Colorado (BB-45), West Virginia (BB-48) and Washington (BB-56) and the training ship Wyoming (AG-17). So I guess this weapon was not as limited production as I thought. After reading one of the posts maybe it was RON 21 and not RON 12. At any rate, this thing could put out 1800 rounds per minute. But the question is if they made this many, why wasn't a RON deployed with 6 boats with the Thunderbolt and 6 boats with 40mm's? That would have been wild!!
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""Yes sir LT., that triangle was Yellow ... ""

Source?

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Hi all,

this is the reason I like this site.

what a goldmine of information.

many thanks to you all.

so for my own clarification, 558 would have had a thunderbolt mounted

the colour I think I will digest some more reference, being a naval modelling novice me thinks a little more reading.

within Ron29, would there have been other Elco 80ft boats with standard weapons fit. Persistent as I am, I err on the side of the wiser for this.

again, many thanks for all the assistance

Graham Cutler


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TGConnelly

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Al,

Source?

Research and information from the Squadron Historian and a man who was actually on the boat and ... from asking people who can ID colors in B/W photos.

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In my research on 174 I never found the source providing Thunderbolt mount that was eventually installed.The material I provided in Garths website, was obtained from former crewmembers via snail mail while reseaching this boat for a model I had intended to build. On a tip from these veterans and Alex Johnson who had volunteered at PTB's Inc.Headquarters I was able purchase the picture that is also featured in Garths website. Sometime later I received a National Archives partial log with the dates of when the Thunderbolt mount was installed on 174.

4/20/1945: While at Samar, Philippines, 40mm removed from stern.
4/22/1945: Work began by base on pad to receive quad 20mm mount.
4/29/1945: At 1150, quad 20mm mount “Thunderbolt” mounted on stern.

Two Ron 21 PT's 327 and 331 were also fitted with the Thunderbolt Mount.

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TGConnelly

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Thank you Waynester.


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