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gray40

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Feb 17, 2009 - 3:07pm
Hi all,

have been reading through pt boat squadrons by Angus Konstam, and noticed pt558 from ron29, being interested in building the Italeri PT Boat, it appears to have the same configuration. Even has the rocket pods on the foredeck,next to the bridge.

my principle question is - what colour would the boat have been painted. I assume a GREY , but which type ?

any help would be greatly appreciated

Graham Cutler


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Mr. Cutler,

Hello. That depends on when you'd like to have your model depict the 558 ............

Do you want her to be an unit of Squadron 29? In that case, she'd be in overall Thayer Blue with Deck Blue decks and all horizontal surfaces with an yellow triangle painted on her foredeck near the fore-peak (I HOPE I used that term correctly) as an identifying marking.

If you are going to depict her in 1945 when she was with the training squadron and used on the war-bond tour just after the war, she was most probably in a gray although I don't feel confident enough in telling you what gray.

Garth


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gray40

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hi Garth,

many thanks for the reply, the wartime configuration in Ron 29, is what I am aiming at.

the Blues would appear to be the theme.

some of the other images of Ron 29 boats, seem to outline the foredeck peak quite well.

I think some more digging through images may be needed.

truly appreciate the response.

Graham


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  TED WALTHER

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Garth and Graham;
Look at the you tube video Dick posted a few weeks ago on the war bond tour of 1945(in the video are 486,487,505,545,557-559). PT 557-559 are a very dark green.
From still photos they look like they were painted in either Thayer Blue or light gray when they first came back from the Med to RON 4 though. Garth was that marking on the forepeak Yellow? I thought it was white. was it yellow for RON 22 also? Oh well, I guess I have to change that on my Bastia Diorama. As I said, I will take some photos.
TED


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Yes sir LT., that triangle was Yellow ...

The boats were Green in '45? Interesting.

Was the 558 one of the boats with the Thunderbolt? Those were 556-559, correct?


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Garth;
Yes, 556-559 had the Thunderbolt. Have you viewed the film Dick posted yet? It is under "Hudson video" a few posts subjects down. Watch it, it is good, filming. No sound though. The Thuderbolts remained with these boats until they were placed out of service and RON 4 was decommed.
Take care,
TED


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No. But, I will ..........

OK. So, if the Thunderbolts remained with the boats until Ron 4 was decommissioned, ... then where did the one that was tested on the 174 late in the war, when she wore a 31/20L scheme come from?

I've heard that the 556 or was it the 559 - was turned over to the USSR, did they use that Thunderbolt?


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Garth;
Sorry 556 was turned over. I don't know if the Thunderbolt went with it, but I doubt it, it was probably replaced with a 40mm. I don't know where 174's thunderbolt came from, maybe Wayne does, since that is his photo, but a thunderbolt was mounted on 138(with .50 cal and 20mm), 160, I also remember a mention that another boat in New Guinea had a Thunderbolt, mounted for testing purposes, maybe one of the boats in RON12?
Take care,
TED


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Alex Johnson could easily answer that one; he's the Ron 12 Guru in these here parts ....................


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Garth & Ted:

I spoke with Mr. Jerry Foley this afternnon, who was a crew member on PT 556. Although his memory is not what it once was, he remembers the Crew leaving the boat in 1945. Now here is where it gets a bit sketchy. He thinks the boat was somewhere in North Africa at the time, and claims that the Thunderbolt sysytem was not removed from the boat when turned over to the Russians. Also, I remeber that the first Thunderbolt system was mounted on PT 138 with Ron 7, sometime in late 1942.

This mount was actually washed away in heavy Seas before it could really be tested. Now, a few boats had the system in 1945, which I think was Ron 10 & Ron 21 while in the Philippines. Not sure which boats, but maybe I can check into it. I am not sure about any of the boats in Ron 12 having the Thunderbolt on them.


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