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[StartQuote] Hi Jimbo, Well as I said to Jerry "I don't know" and as to your words to the wise I will agree about all of them, and my intention was not to start a restoration on the boat but to call attention to the fact that she may still be there, as the stories that have got around about her being dredged up turn out to be just that stories and not fact. So with that in mind first lets just say that the city of New York did dig her up why would they replace her with an old barge that is just going to become another item to dig up in future years? Also if they did dig her up around 12 years ago then the cove at that time would be well and truly silted up, not really worth putting a pier in then. However one other fact that has come to light is that the cove was used from about the time that the boat was sunk in it as a general dumping ground for a large amount of toxic waste from the Transit Authority yards "nowhere else to toss it put it over the fence into the cove there's an old boat sunk there toss it on top of that' I can see the foreman giving that advice to those that needed to get of something that could not be got rid anyway else. Here are a few things I found with a little bit of digging. I have found that the cove was on the original plans for the Transit Authority yards the date given is 1930. I next have a photo 1936? that shows the cove with a ferry leaving the "Landing Road Pier ( this is the name given to the large pier that is on the right of the Google photos that leads off into the Harlem river )with the cove at this time having nothing in it at all. The next is an aerial survey 1937of the cove along the road, there is a large covered pier that was being used to depose of waste from the Transit Authority, this pier takes up more than 50% of the straight section of the road way , there appears to be a small pipeline leading away from the pier into the cove. We jump a few years and the next one is a 1950 aerial survey, we now see that there are two piers the first along the roadway the second at right angles to it and fitted to its side closest to the shore or end of the cove, the shoreline has been moved to fit this pier in. There are now 9 Boats that are tied up to the first pier with there sterns toward the roadway, it may be possible that one of the boats is the ex 59 boat as there is one that is fairly large. The information given is that the Transit Authority leased a number of berths to offset the cost of running the pier. The next is a 1954 aerial survey not much has changed however the cove seems to be shrinking a little and we are missing one boat, the large boat is still there and out of interest she is tied up with her stern toward the road, at the end of the road next to the angle of the large pier. We next move to 1960 the aerial survey shows that the second pier has been removed and that the number of boats has declined there now being only two in the cove, three of the others have moved further up the Harlem river and are berthed alongside a wharf at the end of a road that is beyond the north end of the transit yards, the large boat is still there. Moving on to the photo of the 59 boat sunk in the cove, it is quite clear that the large pier that was in the earlier aerial surveys is no longer in the cove as its length would have been well over 100' long and around 40' wide and in the 1970 picture would have blocked out any view of the buildings in the background of the shot. looking further I found another aerial survey of the cove taken In 1986 and guess what there appears to be a collection of timbers that match up with the currant google images, there are also two aerial surveys that were taken in 1990 and 1996 both are fairly fuzzie but they both show the same field as what we are seeing, so unless New York city replaces like for like when they "dug up the boat" then I would think that it may still be her, also I have photos here that show a boat that was there for at least twenty years before she sank, if a barge had been used to replace her then one would think that we would have been able to find photos of the barge as a barge, not a barge sunk and falling apart as if she had been placed there in a rotten condition ,remember they were on a clean up kick of some sort. There was further information on the site where I found most of the aerial surveys mostly about the operation of the toxic waste dump from the Transit Authority but very little else. So if you would like to have a look at the photos I can send them to Dick or Jerry to put up on the site but I would really like to find some further photos from the 1970s they would help answer a few questions. And one final note stopping the video at certain points I found that the cross members of the boat may have been sistered up as I can identify two new beams with a old beam between them, there also is three rows of screws along the beams too, one in each new beam one in the old one. Anyway just my two cents worth while I'm looking for something else to do. Ta Dave. [EndQuote]
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