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[StartQuote] Thanks Ted for the Google images, Here are a few of the things that helped me look a little closer at the wreck in image 5. One of the things that helped is that I am looking at a rather larger screen than a normal monitor so small details are a lot easer to pick out of the images The !974 photo is a big help here , after looking at it for a while and the google images I wondered about the orientation of the hull to what appears back then to be some form of walkway, (which over the years has been turned into a road Ted is calling this the pier at the end of the road but by the time that the photo was taken she had I think moved into the cove), it is not impossible that at some point since the photo that the river herself has lifted the hull and moved her closer to the shoreline. Wrecks tend to end up in places that you don't expect them, and as she was made of timber this is quite possible. Image 5 clearly shows what I believe to be the PT59, Image 3 shows the pier at the right of the image that has decayed over time at the end of the road and extends into the Harlem river, with the 59 boat further into the cove, this is possibly the pier that she first sunk at. So looking at image 5 here are a few things that I found interesting, the first is the row of timbers at the right hand side of the "pier", looking at the transom of an Elco boat there were a number of supports that ran top to bottom and also at quite an angle from vertical, it is a little hard to see in the google images but an angle can be seen to these "posts" ok not much but if you look at the spacing of these posts they correlate very closely to the Elco transom supports if one can find the utube videos and images they help as a side view rather than an overhead view is obtained, it shows that all of these posts are in line at the same angle, again not much but looking at it with the knowledge of the Elco construction it is a little interesting. Plus posts that are driven into the bottom at an angle are generally round not square and over time tend to move so that they no longer line up, where as these are all square and line up quite well, also if they had been placed there to support an end pier post (which would have been quite substantial) then they would be there as well but they are not?. Next when one looks to the pier at the end of the road in image 3 the main thing that stands out are the pier supports, as we all know these are mostly made of timbers around 12-20 inches in dia. and are spaced around three feet apart along the length of a rather large support beam, ref image 3, have a look at image 5 and try to find them. Next why do the crossbeams in image 5 that jut out into the water have no form of support (ie piers) until they meet a beam that runs from end to end nearly a third of the way into the structure and where are the piers along this beam. Also looking at this support beam most piers that I know have the support beams overlapping when they meet for strength not butt joined. There are three full length beams in view, if you remove the middle one (I will get to it) the other two line up rather nicely with the Elco drawings of the deck, the middle beam is the keel, over time the hull has collapsed as most wooden hulls do so the keel has been pushed up by the action of the cove silting up and now rests under the deck. OK there are other things that helped point out that I was looking at the 59 boat but someone that is a little closer and can also look a little closer with a PT Boat interest as a guide will help. If further images will help try Utube for Inwoods North Cove Restoration:Raw Data-C This is a 20.15 minute video with the wreck running from 10.30-1315. In the video the person filming walks from one end of her to the other, there are about three minutes all up however there are about 9 videos altogether some with her in, so there are lots of different scenes of her from different angles. Will if you do get a chance to have a look you will note that there is really not much left of her but if some one does not have a look then we may just miss out on something that we all enjoy talking about. Dave[EndQuote]
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